Monday, Sep 20, 2021 • 57min

347 The Prisoner and His Prize - The Story of O Henry (with Jenny Minton Quigley)

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William Sidney Porter (1862-1910) packed a lot of life into his 47 years, traveling from a childhood in North Carolina to work as a rancher and bank teller in Texas to a desperate escape to Honduras, where he hoped to avoid federal prosecution for embezzlement. Eventually he spent three years in prison, where he began writing short stories under the name "O. Henry." By the time he emerged he was nationally famous, and his subsequent years in New York City, where he wrote "The Gift of the Magi" among many other popular stories, were highly productive. After his death, his friends started a prize in his name, and today the annual prize - along with the volume of prizewinning short stories - has become a fixture on the American literary landscape. In this episode, Series Editor Jenny Minton Quigley joins Jacke to discuss O. Henry and the prize in his name, which has been retooled for 2021. Jenny describes the fiction she and her colleagues reviewed, the state of the American short story, and the influence that this year's guest editor, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, had on the finished product, The Best Short Stories 2021: The O. Henry Prize Winners. *** This show is a part of the Podglomerate network, a company that produces, distributes, and monetizes podcasts. We encourage you to visit the website and sign up for our newsletter for more information about our shows, launches, and events. For more information on how The Podglomerate treats data, please see our Privacy Policy. Since you're listening to The History of Literature, we'd like to suggest you also try other Podglomerate shows surrounding literature, history, and storytelling like Storybound, Micheaux Mission, and The History of Standup. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jacke Wilson
Jenny Minton Quigley
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Jacke Wilson
00:39
Hello! In 1910, a woman named Ida Louise Crossley arrived at
the Episcopal Church of the Transfiguration
on
Fifth Avenue
in 29th Street in
New York City
. It was the day of her wedding, and she was impressed by the large crowd that had assembled outside. Some friends quickly rushed her away to a hotel dining room, suggesting that this might be a better place for her to wait until the arrangements at the church were finalized.
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01:07
What they did not tell her was that there had been a mix-up. The church had accidentally been double booked that day, with both a funeral and a wedding scheduled to occur at the same time. The guest, when they arrived, were asked if they were there for the funeral or the wedding. Funeral goers were rushed inside to pay their last respects. Wedding attendees were diverted to a nearby church garden.
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01:33
The wedding eventually proceeded without incident, but the funeral was affected as laughter and chatter floated into the church from the wedding guests outside, turning a dour occasion into unframed by excitement and happiness.
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01:50
It was a twist worthy of the beloved short story writer,
O Henry
, famous even today for his surprise endings because as it turns out, the man in the coffin that day was none other than
O Henry
himself, it was his funeral. One suspects that he would have approved, all the more so because the lightness of his surprise twists sometimes concealed just how grim and gritty his stories were.
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02:17
He wrote about real people in real life, in plain language, a language and sensibility consistent with his own life. He may have dressed up his stories with comic turns and needs surprises, but his life was tough and had twists of his own. He began writing as
O Henry
in prison and ended up one of the most successful writers in
America
.
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02:41
We still celebrate him today. Including, with one of the more August literary institutions we have in
America
. The
New York
review of books began in 1963, giving you some context of the age of some of these institutions.
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02:59
The National Book Award For Fiction
began in 1950 which was two years after the
Pulitzer Prize For Fiction
, which was first awarded in 1948.
The New Yorker Magazine
dates back to 1925.
The O Henry Prize For Short Stories
is older than all of those. It started in 1919 and ran continuously, with a one-year break last year for retooling.
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03:28
Now it's back with guest editor
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
and series editor Jenny Minton Quigley, who joined us earlier this year. She's back today to tell us about the retooling and the results as we dive into the life and legacy of
O Henry
today on the history of literature.
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03:57
Hey hello everyone. Welcome to the show. I am Jack Wilson. I'm so glad you're here today. Thank you for joining us.
O Henry
today, the man known as
O Henry,
real name
William Sydney Porter
. Born on September 11, 1862. Died at the relatively young age of 47 in 1910.
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04:26
In the meantime, a lot of living in a lot of writing if he's known today at all. I think it's for three things, and all three are related. He's known for short stories. All three things have that in common short stories was surprised, twist endings, but specifically these are the three things I think he is best known for today.
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04:47
The first,
The Gift of the Magi
. This is the short story. Its beloved. I'm pretty sure it made it onto our list of Greatest Christmas Stories of all Time, that we did one year, the draft. That Mike and I did, maybe it was number one.
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05:01
No, actually I don't think it could have topped
The Nativity Scene
if we counted, that probably didn't top
Scrooge
either, at least not if I was picking. Anyway, that episode had the most mistakes that The History of Literature Podcast episode has ever had, I corrected them subsequently. But a lot of people miss the correction. I still get emails about that episode once in a while.
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05:24
Mike might have been indulging in a bit of spicy eggnog before he joined us that day. I think, who knows? We record those things with Mike at midnight. He was probably dipping into some Christmas cheer. I don't know, I don't care. It was the season Mike can indulge.
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05:44
Anyway,
The Gift of the Magi
, that's the story of the poor young couple who are in love in
New York City
around the turn of the century. She sells her beautiful long hair for $20 in order to buy her husband a chain. A chain that is for his prized possession, his watch, which is so proud of. Only to learn that he has sold the watch in order to buy her a Christmas gift, which is a set of combs to use with her beautiful long hair, which she no longer has. It's not quite as famous the story as
Scrooge
,
A Christmas Carol
, but it's up there.
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06:22
It's also been a like
Scrooge
, it's been adapted a million times and parodied a million more times.
The Honeymooners
took their shot at
The Gift Of The Magi
,
Sesame Street
,
The Muppets
,
Steve Martin
in his book Cruel Shoes more recently,
Phineas And Ferb
Family Guy
and the list goes on and on.
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06:41
It's such a well-used trope by now. It doesn't even necessarily have to be at Christmas. A lot of times you see in these parodies or these adaptations of it is just gifts. I give you this gift, you give me that gift. And we didn't realize our signals were crossed.
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07:00
But isn't it the thought that counts. Isn't it beautiful in some ways that we were both so giving, we didn't need to get in order to realize how much we loved one another. It's hard to remember when we didn't know the ending to the story, the surprise twist.
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07:17
And yet it's still a fairly readable story. In fact, it's read aloud every year, or it was at Pete's Tavern in
New York City
, where it's reputed that
O Henry
wrote the story, he once lived across the street from Pete's Tavern. Mike and I, by the way, once held an impromptu meeting of the literature supporters club at Pete's Tavern. We've also met at the
White Horse Tavern
,
Dylan Thomas's
Old Haunt, and of course
The Algonquin
.
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07:45
Okay, number two is another story
O Henry
is famous for. Also with a twist, also much admired and adapted and parodied
The Ransom Of Red Chief.
A story about kidnappers who steal a wealthy man's son, only to find that the kid is so unrelentingly mischievous and annoying that the father is reluctant to pay for his return. And in the end, the two men pay, they pay the father to take the kid back.
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08:17
These are classic short stories, the kind of story with the kind of clever ending that younger readers come to love. And in fact, they view these as the whole point of a short story in some ways, why not have a big twist at the end. For grown-ups, twists like that endings like that have become a bit of a cliché and after Joyce at least, stories in English don't really end like this anymore. Not in serious literature, life doesn't work so neatly. We don't need stories with the equivalent of a trombone playing notes at the end of a melodrama.
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08:53
Just like, we don't need villains twirling their mustaches. But that's not to say that
O Henry
doesn't deserve his spot in the history of the short story. Even if we now sort of use an
O Henry
ending is a way of saying a little primitive, a little too pat, a little too neat, a little too pandering.
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09:14
O Henry
deserves a spot in our history of literature first of all, because these were very popular stories. This was an era when stories came out each week. Before
Netflix
, of course, before the internet, but also before television and radio, really before cinema. Closer to Dickens's era than our own families got these stories in the mail each week, in publications like
The Saturday Evening Post
. And when they weren't sitting around staring at the fire or reading the bible to one another or doing whatever they did, they had these stories to read.
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09:50
One can imagine families enjoying these stories with their whiz bang endings and maybe running out to buy the collections of
O Henry's
stories too. He was a bestseller in his day, but there's another reason for resurrecting
O Henry
a bit, which is that he was very good at what he did. Even setting aside his supremacy as the crafter of endings, that we no longer value quite as much as a stylist. Someone who wrote with local color, with witty narrators and fast-paced prose. He's up there with
Ambrose Bierce
and
Jack London
and even
Mark Twain,
and he loved
New York
,
New York City
, which to him was endlessly rich and endlessly fascinating.
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10:33
He was the opposite of a snob. We have a great example of a snob from his era. A guy named
Ward McAllister
who took a look at the growing
New York City
and said, well, guess what? A lot of people here, but there are only 400 people worth noticing.
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10:51
These are the people he said, who matter who count the Vanderbilts, the Astors, the Joneses, the Whitneys, you know the names. And he said, this guy McAllister said, if you go outside this list, this was his quote, "If you go outside this list of 400 you will encounter people who either are uncomfortable in a ballroom or who makes other people uncomfortable."
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11:19
What a snob. He wasn't the best list maker, as it turned out. He said, I'm going to print my list of 400, and he only had 265 names on it and a bunch of them were dead. I don't know about you, but the people I hang around would be somewhat uncomfortable at a ballroom if someone dead rolled in. But in any case, the point here is that
O Henry
was deeply offended by this Mr
Ward McAllister
in his list of 400, the only 400 people worth noticing.
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11:49
O Henry
entitled his book the four million and said I've got a bigger range here. I notice others. All these people have stories, all four million of them. They're struggling and living and loving and dying there, scraping by and trying to figure out how to buy each other Christmas presents and look at the love and humanity, they're among them. Look at them, look at these people, Not just 400, 4 million. Look at them with warmth and good humor and compassion.
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12:25
And that is why we can talk about the third thing,
O Henry
is known for today, which is the prize in his name, and not be embarrassed that we no longer value his nifty endings the way we once did.
O Henry
was more than just his endings. He was a writer capital W And he looked for stories and people, real people, not just the ones who traveled in ballrooms. Although there are stories there too. Thank you,
Henry James
, and thank you,
Edith Wharton
, for giving us those stories. But if we have a choice between 40o and 4 million, we'd be fools to limit ourselves to the smaller number, literature is bigger than that and so are we when we're at our best.
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13:05
Okay, so let's hear more about
O Henry
and then a special treat. We will hear from the series editor of
The O Henry Prize For Short Stories
, Jenny Minton Quigley who's here to talk about putting together the 2021 version, which is out now a good Christmas gift by the way, put it on your list, chances are the reader in your life won't have it yet. And a collection of short stories by 20 different authors is sure to have something for everyone.
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13:32
But before we get to the
O Henry
and the
O Henry
Award, let's hear a listener email or at least part of one. This comes to us from Liz in
Hawaii
.
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13:40
"Hi Jack, the arts and our loves save us." Rights, Liz.
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13:47
She says,
"Covid
isolation started when I had been living in a new place for nine months in
Hawaii
is having a terrible surge of Delta, during this I have read, made collages, written and listen to music and podcasts to lighten my sorrow. I'm happy to say my mother turned 90 in June, so we had a small family party, and she had fun getting another tattoo on her head."
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14:12
Liz goes on to say that "She cried when she listened to The History of Literature episode on
Frederick Douglass
Learning to Read, because reading has been so central to her life." So thank you, Liz, for this email. I want to go back to the sentence I kind of passed by, which I'll paraphrase it, as "My 90-year-old mother got another tattoo on her head."
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14:34
It reminded me of those sentences, made me think of those sentences where you change things by emphasizing a single word like the centers might be, "Mike gave Evie a book," and you can say, "Mike gave Evie a book," or "Mike gave me a book," or "Mike gave Evie a book," "Mike gave Evie a book," or "Mike gave Evie a book," five different meanings, all from the same five words as you emphasize one word over the other.
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15:12
I read the email kind of like that. My mind kept emphasizing different parts of the sentence. Your mother got a tattoo? Your 90-year-old mother got a tattoo? Your 90-year-old mother got a tattoo on her head? Your 90-year-old mother got another tattoo on her head?
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15:33
I am clearly missing the party by not living in
Hawaii
if I've said that once, I've said it 1000 times, but I hear you on the Delta Variant and I know Hawaii is not alone in going through a pandemic resurgence. We are all with you wherever we are. Please do stay safe and happy birthday to your mother.
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15:52
Okay, let's take a quick break and come back with
O Henry,
whose wildlife gusto for short fiction and continuing legacy make him a surprisingly enduring figure.
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Jacke Wilson
19:37
William Sydney Porter
was born in
Greensboro, North Carolina
. He went to school where his aunt was a teacher, and he worked in his uncle's drugstore. When he was 20 or so, he set out for
Texas
hoping that the warm, dry climate would help him with a persistent, cough, he had.
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19:54
He found work as a ranch hand where he learned Spanish and German to help him communicate with the immigrants around him, and where he read classic literature at night to help while away the hours. He got a job as a cook for a while and a babysitter and another job at a drug store, he was a licensed pharmacist, he played the guitar and the mandolin and sang in the church choir and was known for serenading young women around town.
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20:21
Eventually took a position in a land office, drawing maps and then worked as a teller at a bank in
Austin
. We'll have more on that a lot more in a moment. He got married to a wealthy 17-year-old who had tuberculosis. This was against her parent's wishes and the two of them had a son who died young and a daughter who lived, and
Porter
started writing humorous sketches. He was in his mid 20s now, and he started up his own publication called, The Rolling Stone, which flopped.
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20:51
Maybe that's a terrible name for a magazine, who could ever imagine a magazine called Rolling Stone with a title ever amounted to anything. Anyway, The Houston Post snapped him up after that, and he drew cartoons for them, and he reported the news, and he wrote columns.
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21:06
In
Houston
he like to hang around hotel lobbies and get stories from the travelers and the other people hanging around. And then In a bizarre twist when he was 35 years old. His old job at the bank in
Austin
came back to haunt him. He had been a careless bookkeeper, and suddenly he was indicted for embezzlement.
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21:31
His father-in-law posted his bail, but
Porter
was terrified of the trial. And so when he was on his way to the courthouse, he took advantage of a change of trains. He, he took that as his opportunity to jump bail and flee to
New Orleans
and from their escape to
Honduras
. In
Honduras
, he wrote his first short story collection, which he called,
Cabbages And Kings
, and he became friends with a notorious train robber.
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22:02
I mentioned
The Gift Of The Magi
I and
The Ransom of Red Chief
has two things he's famous for, but he also coined the phrase, "Banana Republic," which he was basing on what he saw around him in
Honduras.
And he popularized the character of the Cisco kid.
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22:18
Anyway, the plan was to have his family meet him in
Honduras,
where he was planning to stay now that he was a wanted felon. But alas, his wife who had always been supportive of him was dying of tuberculosis. Now he returned to
Texas
to see her and was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to five years in prison for the embezzlement. He served three years, got out early for good behavior.
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22:46
During those years, he was writing stories, and before he was released, his prison stint was not too arduous thanks to his experience as a druggist and maybe his reputation as a writer, he was treated pretty well. He worked in the prison hospital as the night druggist, and he was allowed to write stories.
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23:06
He took on the name
O Henry
at this point, which may have been named after a prison guard,
William Trevor
thought so anyway. And big time publications like McClure's were publishing his stories with no idea that they were being written by a prisoner.
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23:24
Was he a felon? Was he guilty? It's not clear. He later claimed he was not only innocent, but he had been set up to cover for the crimes of others. I don't think historians have settled on an answer to that.
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23:39
While he was waiting trial, his wife had died and when he was released, he reunited with his daughter who was 11 now and living with her grandparents in Pittsburgh. From there, the two of them moved to
New York City
, so
Porter
now called
O Henry
could be closer to the publishing world that was gobbling up his stories, he was cranking them out.
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24:01
Now, this was 1902, and he really settled into his groove able to draw upon his life experiences, days on the ranch, his time in
Honduras
, his time in prison, all the people he'd met along the way and also all the buzz and crackle of the
New York City
around him as it continued to grow and thrive.
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24:22
Five years later, he got married to his childhood sweetheart, but he didn't have many years left at this point, he was drinking a lot and his writing started to suffer. His wife left him after only a year or two of marriage, and he died a year after that. He was 47, but he lives on.
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24:43
After his death. His friends got together and started up the
O Henry
Prize for Great American Short Stories. In 1919, the awards began, edited for several years by the formidable
Blanche Colton Williams,
who herself deserves an episode of the history of literature.
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Blanche Colton Williams
was the sort of person who went to a women's college in the south and so impressed her fellow colleagues that alumni of the college took up a collection to send her to graduate school to study literature. She landed at Columbia University, where she became a writer and a literary historian.
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25:22
She got the prize, the
O Henry
prize off to a great start as she headed up the committee of prize selectors and the series, as I mentioned, continues to this day. So speaking of which, let's take our final break and then return with Jenny Minton Quigley, who serves as the series editor for the
O Henry
Prize Awards.
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25:44
Will hear the nuts and bolts of gathering these stories, judging them, compiling them into a collection and making them available to the world. Year after year, after year, all that and more after this.
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Jacke Wilson
27:06
Okay, joining me now is Jenny Minton Quigley, series editor for The
O Henry
Prize Winners for 2021. This year, the vaunted collection of prizewinning short stories was guest edited by
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
and this was a relaunch with a couple of major changes that we will ask Jenny about. Jenny was here before to discuss her family's connection with
Vladimir Nabokov
and the classic 20th century novel Lolita. Jenny Minton Quigley, welcome back to The History of Literature.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
27:35
Thank you for having me, Jack!
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Jacke Wilson
27:37
Okay, so here we go, the best short stories of 2021. But before we get to the stories, let's start with you, when and how did you get involved with the
O Henry
Prize?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
27:48
I got involved in the
O Henry
Prize back when I worked at Vintage Anchor, which was in the early 2000s. At that point I was the in house editor for the
O Henry
series and Larry Dark was the series editor.
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28:02
And then Laura Furman came on after him and she had a wonderful round of about 17 years, and then she wanted to move on onto some new project. And The team at Anchor took a year off after Laura resigned because they wanted to rethink the anthology, and then they invited me in to serve as the 10th series editor to help plan a relaunch.
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Jacke Wilson
28:24
Right, okay, so they made two major changes for the relaunch. Let's start with works in translation and in some ways, I'm not sure if I should ask you why they're being included now or why they weren't included before. But anyway, what's the thinking behind expanding the selection to include translated stories?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
28:44
Well, it happened at our very first brainstorming meeting about the relaunch, and we were considering what we could learn from the better known the best American short story series, but also how we could differentiate ourselves from it, not just be a little sister. And one of the ideas we had was to move away from system specifically American story.
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29:05
At the time, it was a couple of years ago and
Trump
was still in office,
President Trump
and I don't think we were especially feeling proud about being American, and we wanted to open our minds to literature around the world. And the literature that writers had originally imagined in their own language.
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Jacke Wilson
29:21
Right.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
29:21
And you're right. But the second we decided to do it, we thought, why haven't we done this earlier?
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Jacke Wilson
29:26
Well, I can tell you that in preparation for this. I went back and looked at the very first,
O Henry
short story collection prizewinning short story collection in 1919 and the editor wrote a wonderful introduction there, her name was
Blanche Colton Williams,
and she noted in her introduction that the unfortunate prohibition on Non-Americans had led to at least three worthy the stories that they were unable to consider.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
29:53
Oh, no way!
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Jacke Wilson
29:55
A long time in coming, but finally we got there.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
29:59
Right, right, and I wonder why then they hadn't opened their minds from day one.
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Jacke Wilson
30:07
I wonder.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
30:08
You know, one of the problems is I guess one of the problems is Jack, that someone would have to translate them. So Grand Theft for example, does wonderful publishes, wonderful translations online and in print that I've found both years, I've read some wonderful, wonderful stories in Grand Theft.
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30:25
But
O Henry
prize series doesn't have the budget to be translating stories ourselves. So we need to rely on websites and journals that are translating.
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Jacke Wilson
30:37
Right, and I think it was a little bit different. I may have misled you on when I just described that because I think what she was talking about were stories that were written in English and had been published in the magazines in
America
but had been written by Non-Americans.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
30:53
Oh, so they wouldn't even at the start. That's interesting.
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Jacke Wilson
30:59
So I think one of them was written by someone who was French, and you know, if they were born in another country or if they were a citizen of another country then they would not be considered. But that clearly hasn't been the case because
Alice Munro
has won plenty and
William Trevor
and there have been uh plenty of winners in the past who wrote in English but who we're not Americans.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
31:26
And this year we have
Sally Rooney
, and we have Alice Jolie, we have a few writers who are not American but who are writing in English. As well as translation from the Danish and Spanish.
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Jacke Wilson
31:43
Right? I guess it kind of begs the question of like you were saying, a lot of these maybe had been written a few years ago, so the stories are a little bit older, and it takes a couple of years before they get translated.
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31:57
Most of them probably aren't being published for the very first time in an American magazine in English. Not sure that that matters, but yeah.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
32:07
No, but it is interesting, you know.
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Jacke Wilson
32:11
Because they might be published, like translated a whole collection for example, and then published a book, you know, so it's not like.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
32:17
I think that's the case of Karina Sainz Borgo, the story Scissors. I think she's working on a whole, you know, there's a whole collection in Spanish that then gets translated.
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Jacke Wilson
32:29
Right, okay, so let's talk about, oh, go ahead
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Jenny Minton Quigley
32:32
Yeah, I'm going to learn the answer to that before next year.
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Jacke Wilson
32:35
Okay! So let's talk about the second major change, which is, you have a guest editor, which is not something that the
O Henry
Prize has done before, so tell us how that came about.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
32:47
That came about, you know, in addition to having a famous name to help us get the word out. We were looking for the particular writer's talent and taste, sort of a sensibility they would bring to the project. We were looking for an international writer to build on what you just said about how seriously we're taking the translations.
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33:11
We've wanted someone with international taste, an international writer to be the judge, and it certainly has made my job easier. Having
Chimamanda's
vision to guide me and screening stories, you know, she has a singular artistic vision to guide the process from beginning to end.
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33:29
And I think it also has made the book a more satisfying read because it feels like a book of harmonious voices, you know, it's not just the eclectic mix of someone's definition of best of. Its
Chimamanda
division of short fiction. And I think in the case of
Chimamanda
in particular, Ursula Author at anchor as she actually is the one who thought of
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
. And in the case of her, it's also, you know, no one really cares the stories that I'm recommending necessarily, but
Chimamanda
, a renowned writer throughout the world whose memoir of
Obama
she reviewed, You know, I think people are interested both readers and writers in what she considers the best contemporary short fiction.
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34:18
So I think it helps. I think the idea of having a guest editor and someone who changes so that the book also changes as a work of
Adichie
. I think it's one that I hope will be here to stay, it's made my work so much fun.
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Jacke Wilson
34:34
Yeah, it's great because authors are going to bring, you know, the guest editors will bring different tastes and different. The first editor that I was reading, she mentioned, you know, that she herself had a strong preference for detective stories.
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34:52
And I'm sure you will have guest editors who have, you know, a fondness for science fiction or who just have a little bit of a different flavor for types of stories that will give each edition, kind of its own personality and its own feel.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
35:11
Exactly! Exactly, and I'm already seeing it, Jack. So
Chimamanda
. You know the very first conversation I had with her, she was looking for stories that had heard that had a kind of wisdom that were genuine, that we're not gimmicky. And Valeria Luis Ellie, who will be our next editor for 2022. She loves experimental fiction. So already when I'm reading stories, I'm pulling different screening, different ones just based on their criteria, right? Which leads to different, very different books, I think.
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Jacke Wilson
35:46
So tell us about where you sit in the process. How do you intake the stories, are they, are you going out to different publications and websites and reading them or are they nominated, or how do they make their way into your pile.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
36:02
All of the above?
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Jacke Wilson
36:03
Okay, so you're sort of a vacuum to try to scoop up as much as you can.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
36:10
Yeah. So many literary magazines and online literary website submit their stories to me. There's jenny@ohenryprizewinners. com, and we asked them not to submit just their favorites, but to submit everything in an issue so that we can be the judge.
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36:29
And then I've also tracked down a lot of stories and journals myself. Emma Heinz is that the community of literary magazines and presses. She reached out to me and updated our submission page, our guidelines on their website and The Penguin Random House has updated their site.
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36:46
So more and more are coming in, and then I'm finding them. I have subscriptions to Gulf Coast and I read Catapult and Electriclid and all, you know, all the
Yale
Review, Guernica. I could go on and on.
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37:02
There's so many of them, and then I guess moving forward I even discovered Jack, a story that I loved on the
Harper's Bazaar UK
website last year. But of course the right now say we consider stories that are distributed in
North America
but the website idea changes it because I can find stories published everywhere and if that story had made it through I think we already would have changed our guidelines.
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37:28
But Diana Tessa is the in house Anchor editor. She said to me just how much you can read, you know, so, so but at a certain point I would love to open it up to all websites I guess in English.
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Jacke Wilson
37:45
Yeah, she ends up choosing, the book ends up having 20 stories, and I was wondering if there's any shaping that has to be done. For example, I could imagine if all of these stories were extremely short, it might be tough to fill a volume or if all of them were extremely long, it might be tough. This is something that also the first editor had kind of wrestled with, and she said, you know, if we just went with the longest stories that were nominated. We would have only had room to include half as many stories as we did.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
38:16
Oh, that's interesting.
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Jacke Wilson
38:17
Yeah, does it just kind of go out of averages just kind of shakes out.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
38:22
This year it gets. Scissors is just a few pages, Brown Girls is just a few pages and then Jones Silver story is quite long. Anna Find's story is quite long. You know maybe
Chimamanda
put some thought into that.
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Jacke Wilson
38:41
Right?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
38:41
Because I think it is came out with all the publications submitted and the winners writing about you know how they wrote their craft, and it comes out to 368 pages, which is perfect. So but I can't say that, I would say maybe
Chimamanda
put some thought into that to me, it's just how it check out.
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Jacke Wilson
39:06
Interesting. When you mentioned that she likes stories that have heart and that weren't too gimmicky. I wanted to give you a few quotes from this first edition of the
O Henry
Prize, the introduction that I was reading. So the editor complained.
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39:23
She said, "Too frequently there is no story, a series of episodes strung together, a sketch and essay stories that are too long that start with the wrong tone or that have an obvious happy ending that the author has catered to magazine needs." So and then she said, "What we did like was originality excellence and organization of plot incidents, skill, and characterization and power in moving emotions."
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39:53
So it sounds like we kind of have the same criteria. Yeah, 100 years later, still looking for the same things. But this is the paragraph that I absolutely loved. Where there was apparently some critics who had said, you know, you should really choose for the best style, you should really be aiming, you know, instead of best story that should be the best written story or the best style.
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40:17
And she said, "The committee were not insensible to style, but expert phrasing, glowing appreciation of words and exquisite sense of values. The texture of the story fabric all dropped into the abyss of the unimportant after the material they incorporated had been judged."
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40:35
And then she had this sentence which is so fantastic. "No man brings home beef steak in silk or sells figs as thistles." So
Blanche Colton Williams
was not one you could try to snow with, you know, an ornate prose style. She was somebody looking for the heart of the story.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
41:02
And what were the stories like that she picked?
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Jacke Wilson
41:05
So here's a few that were interesting. There's one, "Kitchen Gods," was by a doctor of medicine who spent five years treating the women of China. "Porcelain Cups" was about a genealogist who becomes interested in the Elizabethan age and the life of
Christopher Marlowe
, and, "The Lebanese Kiss," was by a woman from
Rome
who spends part of her year living with gypsies.
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41:28
Yeah, so there were quite an interesting range. And then there was this really interesting thing that they had to wrestle with which was they all agreed on what a short story was. But then they all there were five of five editors on the committee.
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41:51
They all thought that the best literature in brief form was by a man named Steel. And it was called, "Contact." But three of them thought it was a short story. And two of them declared it an article because it was kind of nonfiction. It was written by the author after a personal visit to the North Sea fleet.
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42:12
And so she put the question to the publishers, and the editor of Harper's wrote back and said, "It is a faithful portrayal of the work done by our destroyers and therefore falls under the category of articles." So they said basically, you know, nice that you want to award it this prize. But we don't consider it a short story. So we're taking it off of your- we're a nominating it from you.
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42:38
Wow, then like narrative nonfiction or something.
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42:41
Yeah, exactly. So then they asked the author, and he said, "I am not quite sure what to say," which is kind of funny because he's probably thinking I'd love to win this prize. What he says, you know, "The piece of which you speak was, in a sense, drawn from life. It was made up of a number of impressions gained when I was at sea. The characters are elaborations of real characters." So he was basically, you know, he was kind of saying it's accurate, but it's fictional, it's fictionish. So he unfortunately did not win, they did not include it because of his editors, but it would have won apparently.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
43:21
Right, and it's interesting because, you know, it, just last year, the New Yorker published the story a story by
Ernest Hemingway
that had been previously unpublished in which he calls himself
Ernest
. You know, it's like he really didn't go back and fictionalized at all. He didn't he left it in what very well might have been there to nonfiction, but that one was never published until now and then as fiction. So, I guess now it might be left these days, it might be left to the author to decide.
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Jacke Wilson
43:53
Yeah. Are there any other, are there any sort of trends or broad statements you can make you must be looking at hundreds if not more than that of short stories and short fiction. Is there anything that you discern in today's fictional world?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
44:10
I guess one idea that did come to me from all my reading is that a lot of young writers who are publishing in literary journals write a lot of coming of age stories. It's something that
Chimamanda
was not particularly interested in the best of collection. And I had to remind myself sometimes for me as a measure, the thrill is in the discovery of an unknown gem, in an unknown place.
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44:35
And I had to remind myself a little bit that this wasn't a debut collection. Pan America does this amazing debut best of debut stories. But it did occur to me that
O Henry
could have a young adult collection, and we would find enough fabulous stories every year.
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44:54
It's just whether the writers would want to be considered categorizes as YA excessive they are up and coming. But I, you know, I certainly have read in the past couple of years, a lot of young adults as far as the stories that are coming out today, it strikes me that, I don't know if this has always been the case, but the best stories are really this meeting of poetry and novels that they're more of a moment in time and a feeling they give you every single story, that one that
Chimamanda
pit all 20 sort of give you this, kill it by the time you finish and not a melodramatic,
O Henry
ending chill.
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45:33
Just a feeling that they've been going for and that feels more like poetry to me, but of course, they're written in a style that's more accessible, that's more novelistic. You know, I, I don't know if that's always, I don't think that has always been two of the short story, but right now, it really feels like a meeting place of those two forms.
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Jacke Wilson
45:55
Right. So it's when you say novelistic, you mean it's compressed enough that it sort of can span a stretch of time, or it can include multiple characters, or I mean sort of a narrative?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
46:11
I sort of the style of writing so that if a novel is trying to create a world, these stories are not necessarily they're creating more of a moment. You know, it's a moment in a trail in a mobile hospital trailer in upstate
New York
. It's its a moment in a Camp in China in the 70's. It's that it's more of a moment, and you get a feeling from it then recreating the whole world of it, which would be novelistic, but they're written in a more accessible, beautiful, but more accessible language than some of poetry.
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46:45
I see it right, sort of as a melding. I've been struck by how few, you know, there are certainly the stories in Queens and set in different places in
America
. There are also more stories outlining different parts of the world for us than ever before.
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Jacke Wilson
47:03
Right! Did you ever find yourself thinking what we really could use our stories that do X or that are about Y?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
47:12
No, I don't think so this year, I was sure that there would be so many pandemic stories. But so far there's only been a few. No, I didn't find myself missing anything.
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Jacke Wilson
47:27
I remember reading once that
John Cheever
was saying that he would read short stories, and I don't know if he was the judge of a prize or if he was just talking about fiction in general that he read other than his own. And he kept finding himself saying, what color is the Sky? What does the sky look like that? He felt like nobody was taking the time to talk about their surroundings and the natural world, that it was all interior and all.
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47:55
I think there was probably a lot of metafiction also at the time that he was probably reacting against that it was probably a lot of
Donald Barthelme
a or
John Barth
, you know, that kind of fiction, maybe that was part of it. But he just, he would say, you know, I keep throwing these books down saying what color is the sky?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
48:12
Well and like the
Raymond Carver
, there were very few stories that I've been reading, there are very few in that
Raymond Carver
style that actually love, but which is almost all dialogue.
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Jacke Wilson
48:24
And very terse.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
48:26
Right, right, there's very few like that. Now, most people are giving you the sky and my own pet peeve is that I need to know when it's just a story takes place in time.
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48:37
That that seems to be more than I have a couple of assistants who read with me and more than it bothers them if I can't figure out am I in the 1970s? Am I in 2050? To me that the moment that I'm in getting my bearing there is super important for some reason.
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Jacke Wilson
48:56
Right! So I know the
O Henry
prize used to choose one story as first prize among the 20, and it doesn't look like you're doing that anymore. But I was wondering if there are a few that you wanted to highlight for us, just to give us a flavor of some of the ones that stood out for you this year.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
49:11
Oh gosh! I love them all.
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Jacke Wilson
49:14
Which child do you like the best?
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Jenny Minton Quigley
49:17
But that's not even the reason. The real reason is that what surprised me about this project since I've taken it on is how beautiful of a book. Just taking these stars and sort of gathering them together and then having this glimmering piece of art that's new. But that it's not just surprised, it's a book.
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49:39
I think that's the part that having a guest editor has helped to do and sort of taking away one, you know, by the end, Before we relaunched, there were I think three jurors and each juror would choose their favorite story. So then you had three different sensibilities selecting three different stories as the gems of the gems.
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50:00
I don't know I like this idea better of as you said earlier, some stories are short, some are long. Some are set in the U. S. Some are set in Africa, and yet as a cohesive whole they make this beautiful book. You know, it's not a surprise it's a book we're publishing.
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50:20
I have to think that it would be the sort of book that
O Henry
who
William Porter
was his real name, and you tell us all about him. But he was a popular writer. He wrote every week, he turned out a story for
The Saturday Evening Post
or the New York World Magazine Sunday. I have to think that it's a book that he too would have appreciated. I hope so.
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Jacke Wilson
50:44
Right? A book that's worth not just getting because it's it grants people an award, but because it's a book that you want to hold in your hand and have on yourself and read.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
50:54
Right for the reading experience, exactly. And there's other things we do that make it a helpful book, you know, for writers, there's a whole list of hundreds and hundreds, distantly hours and hours to update the publications that you can submit to and how, if you're a writer, and we finally eliminated Playboy, but devastatingly.
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51:16
Tin House. You know, we included two stories from Tin House that closed its doors.
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Jacke Wilson
51:23
Alright.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
51:23
Unfortunately, but two beautiful stories, but the train unfortunately folded. But so too playboy and that one's okay
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Jacke Wilson
51:33
Yeah, well let me say just sort of in conclusion here. I went back 20 years and looked at the 2001.
O Henry
collection and the names on that list.
George Saunders
,
Dale Peck
,
Andrea Barrett
,
Louise Erdrich
,
Alice Munro
, Antonio Nelson,
Joyce Carol Oates
,
T. C Boyle,
Ron Carlson
. I mean, it's like a who's who of that era.
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51:56
And I'm expecting that 20 years from now. The names in this year's book will be similarly familiar. It's a wonderful thing for those of us who don't have a chance to read a lot of literary magazines or keep up. It's a wonderful way for us to get a sense of what's out there and experience some of the great fiction that's being written.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
52:16
Right? I think we have at least three writers who this is their first public, it's not their first published story. You know, their first book is coming out, or maybe even four. And that's who were exciting to me.
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52:30
And then of course it is writers, you know,
Tessa Hadley
and
David Means
too at the top of their game and them applying as well. But to see them all and to read them all in one book, I do hope that the hope is that it's a great reading experience.
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Jacke Wilson
52:46
Yeay, okay, well, the book is the best short stories, 2021 the
O Henry
prize winners guest edited by
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
and series edited by our guest Jenny Minton Quigley, Jenny Minton Quigley, thank you so much for joining me today on The History of Literature.
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Jenny Minton Quigley
53:02
Thanks so much, Jack.
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Jacke Wilson
53:04
Okay, that's going to do it for this episode of The History of literature. My thanks to Jenny Minton Quigley for joining me. I told you people, this is a great idea for a gift. Perfect for that college student in your life, whose maybe immersed in bio cam and calculus and astrophysics and whatever they're learning these days.
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53:27
20 great short stories to help them decompress during the Christmas break. All fresh, all new, all carefully selected and all presented to us like ornamental combs and platinum watch chains. Is it too early to think about Christmas? No, I don't think so. Put this one on your list.
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53:47
Speaking of Christmas, I'd like to do something special this year for the holidays. I thought maybe we could have some old favorites stopped by for repeat visits, if you have a guest you'd like me to invite back on this show. Please let me know. I'd love to check in with some of my old friends. It's easier for me to beg them to come back. If I can say, hey, the listeners are demanding it.
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54:10
It's also not too early to start thinking about
Halloween
, we're lining up our October lineup. We'll have a look at the art and science of mystery and a little
Harry Potter
cameo, and we'll have some
Mary Wollstonecraft
. Hopefully that's another tie in, given the
Mary Shelley
connection.
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Oh, and some others besides, you all know that October is my favorite month. Well it is approaching, it's almost here. Lots to look forward to. I'm Jack Wilson, thank you for listening, and we'll see you next time.
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