Thursday, May 20, 2021 • 38min
Federico Faggin on Silicon and Consciousness
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Federico Faggin has led what he calls four lives: as a physicist, engineer and inventor, entrepreneur, and author. He developed the MOS silicon gate technology at Fairchild (1968) and designed the world's first microprocessor at Intel (1971). Faggin also founded and led Zilog, Synaptics, and other high-tech companies. The Zilog Z80 microprocessor (1976), and the Z8 microcontroller (1978) are still in volume production in 2021. At Synaptics he pioneered the Touchpad (1994) and the Touchscreen (1999), - solutions that have revolutionized the way we interface with mobile devices. Federico has received many prizes and awards in the United States, Europe, and Japan. These include the Marconi Prize (1988), the Kyoto Prize for Advanced Technology (1997), and the National Medal of Technology and Innovation (2009), from President Barack Obama. In 1996, Faggin was inducted in the National Inventor's Hall of Fame. He has also received many honorary degrees in Computer Science and Electronic Engineering Federico is currently president of the Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to the scientific study of consciousness, an interest that has become a passionate full-time activity. In 2019, Federico published his autobiography SILICON, through Mondadori, Italy’s premier book publisher, where it has been a bestseller. Imaginal Inspirations is hosted by David Lorimer, Programme Director of the Scientific and Medical Network and Chair of the Galileo Commission, an academic movement dedicated to expanding the evidence base of a science of consciousness. scientificandmedical.net https://scientificandmedical.net/ galileocommission.org https://galileocommission.org/ beyondthebrain.org https://beyondthebrain.org/ Works and links mentioned: Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation http://www.fagginfoundation.org/ Silicon: From the Invention of the Microprocessor to the New Science of Consciousness by Federico Faggin https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicon-Invention-Microprocessor-Science-Consciousness/dp/1949003418/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1621431274&sr=1-1 Godel, Escher, Bach : An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Douglas-R-Hofstadter/Godel-Escher-Bach--An-Eternal-Golden-Braid/14981514 The Enniads by Plotinus https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Plotinus/The-Enneads/351191 Production: Martin Redfern Artwork: Amber Haas Music: Life is a River, by Magnus Moone
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David Lorimer
00:19
Welcome to the Imaginable Inspirations Podcast with me, David Lorimer, where I talked to my guests about experiences, people and books that have shaped their lives and work.
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00:31
Imaginal cells are responsible for the metamorphosis of the caterpillar into a butterfly, which is also the Greek symbol for the soul.
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00:39
These cells are dormant in the caterpillar, but at a critical point of development they create the new form and structure which becomes the butterfly.
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00:59
My guest today is
Federico Faggin
, who has led what he calls four lives as a physicist, engineer, inventor, entrepreneur and author.Share
01:11
He developed the first MOS SILICON Gate technology at
Fairchild
in 1968 and designed the world's first microprocessor at Intel
in 1971.Share
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Federico
also founded and leads I Log Synaptics and other high tech companies.Share
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The
Zilog Z 80
microprocessor from 1976 and his 08 microcontroller from 1978 are amazingly still in volume production today.Share
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At
Synaptics
, he pioneered the touch pad in 1994 and the touch screen in 1999 solutions that have revolutionised the way we interface with our mobile devices.Share
01:54
Federico
has received many prizes and awards in the United States
, Europe
and Japan
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These include
the Marconi Prize
in 1988 the Kyoto Prize for Advanced Technology
in 1997 and in 2009. He was awarded the National Medal of Technology and Innovation
by President Barack Obama
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In 1996 he was inducted into the National Inventors Hall Of Fame, and he's also received many honorary degrees in
Computer Science
and electronic engineering.Share
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Federico
is currently president of Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation, a nonprofit organisation dedicated to the scientific study of consciousness, an interest that has become a passionate full time activity.Share
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In 2019,
Federico
published his autobiography through Italy's
premier book publisher, where it's been a bestseller, and it has just appeared under the title of SILICON in English. So it's a real pleasure to have you on the podcast, Federico
, and I'm going to start by asking you about a shaping moment in your choice of work.Share
Federico Faggin
03:03
Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be here with you and, through this, interesting conversation.
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03:11
My first, fundamental decision was after my technical high school. I was 18 and I had several choices of work and I decided to work for
Olivetti
, which in those days was a major supplier of office equipment, near Milan
. They had a reserve centre to develop computers. In fact, they had shortly before they had announced in, their first mainframe, called Elia 9003.Share
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At that time, I was interested, though not passionate yet about computers, and so I chose that direction because of that direction. I ended up designing in part 60% in building a small experimental computer, which is unusual for a 19 year old, which is, you know, the 1961.
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When I did this, I had four technicians working for me, and I got that computer to work, and that experience really set me in a direction which led to all the everything that everything else that happened in my life. Of course, you can always find prior decisions that led to that. But this was, you know, an explicit decision because I had many choices and I chose to go to
Olivetti
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Then I went to I went back to university to study physics, but that was a formative experience that really changed my life.
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David Lorimer
04:53
And to tell us a little bit about your model aeroplane because that was a great thing that you did when you were only 15. And I love the photo in your book.
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Federico Faggin
05:03
Well, yeah, that was That was perhaps even more important of the elevated choice, though in that case, there was no choice because I fell in love with this model plane when I was 11, seeing it, seeing a model plane fly for the first time. And I loved aeroplanes in those days. And in fact, I one of my dreams were to become a pilot. And so, seeing a toy, the fly to me, it was amazing.
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I thought that only big planes could fly, not toys. So So I decided to build myself one on the plane. And, it took about three trials before I got one to fly. But that was also extremely formative for me as an experience, because since I didn't have much money, I had to design and build my own planes. I couldn't buy the kids where you you know, you assemble and you go through. The process of that is outlined in the plan.
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I had to invent my way, so to speak. Though I bought a book that told me how to build model planes. And so, through the guidance of that book, in my own, you know, imagination I made I don't know how many planes, probably of the order of 100.
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My, my growing up, you know, my growing up, you know, years and even, you know, even today, every once in a while, I get the urge to design and build one maybe strange one, you know, So anyway, so So that that was also fundamental. And that was actually what led me to go to a technical high school instead of the school. Then my father wanted me to go. My father was a teacher.
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The professor, actually, because it was, liberal do change, You know, it was a scholar, wrote 40 books and, also taught at the
University Of Padua
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But, you know, he always also taught at the classical IC, in
Vicenza
, my hometown, and he wrote about idealist philosophers, very much like Schopenhauer
, Plotinus
, he actually translated The Enneads
of Plotinus
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So my father was really very much into philosophy and history and he wanted me to go to the school that was supposed to be the formative school. And I'd done that. I would never have developed the first microprocessor. It would never have had the path that I took because I would have been too late.
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Those things that have already been invented by somebody else, BA Because as much as we like to think that our inventions are the first and without us, they will never happened. I can tell you that all the inventions that I made that would have happened anyway.
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David Lorimer
08:01
How interesting. I mean, I think you're already showing a kind of persistence and creativity at that age and tell me how wide was the wingspan of your largest playing as they look to me really quite wide.
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Federico Faggin
08:14
Well, that one was probably a metre, a metre and 40 centimetres. But my largest one was a little over two metres. That's one plane that I you know, it was my sort of my couple of or are we saying Italian? My best work?
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It it took me three months to design and build.
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Yeah, and that was supposed to be, you know, my winning playing on a contest, but I lost it before, before the contest just just took off and never came back.
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David Lorimer
08:52
Story there were.
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Federico Faggin
08:53
There were there were no radio controls in those days. But actually they were. But they were so clunky that you could only control typically the Rather And that was it. No, no proportional radio controls.
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David Lorimer
09:07
There must have been a quite a bad moment.
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Federico Faggin
09:10
Yeah, seeing it disappear.
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David Lorimer
09:15
This guy, You talked about your father? Really as a mentor in some ways. And we'll come back to Platini's. But did you have any other influential mentors or teachers at that stage of your life? And if so, what advice do they give that stood you in good stead?
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Federico Faggin
09:34
Actually, at that time I had teachers and advisers. But nobody stands out as someone that I could say changed my life in a way or made me turn in one way.
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There was foundational for whatever happened next I must say that the perhaps the best teacher that I had was a rough anchorman, which was my partner, with whom we started Zilog in 1974.
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We were friends, but then he wanted my job so because he wanted my job, He started playing some games and and and so, you know, it became a struggle for me. Eventually he left the company because, you know, I had to ask the board to intervene.
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And that was a very displeasing thing for me, and I didn't understand how. How come. What? What happened here? What have I done? You know, it could easily identify what he did, but I couldn't identify what I did. And it seemed to me that it takes two to tango. So you know, what did I do?
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And it took a while to realise that it wasn't what I did.
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It was what I did not reading your book.
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David Lorimer
10:58
I picked that one up because I thought it was such an interesting observation that sometimes it's what we don't do that causes the problems that's right.
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Federico Faggin
11:06
And and that to me, that opened up a Pandora's box. Really? And I realised, First of all, I realised that truly I was responsible for what happened to me good or bad, even if it is easy to actually attribute default or speak to somebody else.
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And so it was the first time that I took responsibility for my life and for what happened to my life. And that is the large. The biggest gift that I had from Ralph so interesting.
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David Lorimer
11:43
You don't always think that's the case at the time, but in retrospect it's extremely valuable. And then let's move on to a book or books that have shaped your your life and thinking. But it depends on which stage of your life you're talking about. I suspect, of course.
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Federico Faggin
11:58
Yeah, of course. You know, there were many books that were influential, but again, the only book that I can think of, I think it was off scattered the book Goodall, Essure and, I don't know if you read it. I think it came out, came out in 79. I think it was a book for the first time.
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Allow me to see reality from multiple lenses as opposed to just as as physics. Because if you read it, you know, reality expressed by physicist, is their own view. And then reality expressed by biologists is that there are their own view.
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Everybody is, you know, has silos, so to speak, of non college. But that book was interdisciplinary. Book it would talk about music and the art Asher and and mathematics and physics. And and so it was shaped me from a way of thinking there was sort of parochial if you want.
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And most importantly, it led me to think about computers. And are they really? This book, strangely, did not talk much about consciousness, but it clearly hinted that that the brain is not really a computer. Which, of course, many people tend to think that way.
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And so it led me to think clearly about certain things and but most importantly, awakened in me a desire to understand it was broader than before. Before I was seeing things through the lenses of physicists, basically without paying too much attention to other aspects of reality.
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So there was an Awakening. In some ways, though, it was not even close to the Awakening that I had later on in life. But this was certainly a precursor you want.
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David Lorimer
14:01
Interestingly, one of my cleverest pupils for himself is now a writer called Harry Bingham. He was reading that book when he was 15.
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He's an extraordinary, brilliant individual, and I said to him in an essay, I marked. I said, you write as well as old as Huxley. I hope you will become a writer.
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And he has, tell us more about your your Awakening. This is sort of key moment of insight in relation to the nature of consciousness. And I think what Jeff Cripple would call a flip in some senses in terms of for flip, of understanding, of reality and consciousness.
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Federico Faggin
14:38
Yeah, well, that that happens.
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In 1990.
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It was December was the holiday Christmas holidays. I was with my family up in Tahoe. We had We had a place, their home there, and we were skiing and everything was great. And then one night I woke up. It was around midnight. I was, I was thirsty, so I got a glass of water.
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Then I went back to bed and as I was about to fall asleep, but still quite awake all of a sudden, I feel this unbelievable energy coming out of my chest. You know, it was a beam. Probably. I don't know, more than a foot wide and, you know, maybe a foot and a half, and it was coming out like a rush and it was a rush of love. So powerful, so unbelievable.
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And, you know, he appears as a white, you know, white scintillating beam that was coming out of me. And I was What's going on, you know, kind of kind of thing, and then exploded. And all of a sudden everything is made of this energy.
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This stuff y scintillating light that again feels like unbelievable love, the love that I never felt before, like the like, but I don't know, you know, 100 db over.
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You know, just something impossible to imagine. And as I was observing this, white light all of a sudden I am that light.
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Not only that, but my body is vibrating. My physical body is vibrating, you know, everything is vibrating.
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And then at the same time, I realised that this is what everything is made of. This stuff that feels like love is peaceful, is unbelievably fulfilling. And and I am in it. So I am now the observer or myself when my own viewpoint. And so now I I observed on the whole that observes itself with my viewpoint.
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And so this was so extraordinary that you know, I couldn't, you know, basically it changed. It flipped like you said. I didn't know this word before, but it clearly is truth. It flipped my viewpoint about who I am about the world completely. Now I am the world observing myself, not somebody that is separate from the world, observing something which is not me.
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It was I was me observing me. What I was observing was the entire existence. So as I said earlier, this change completely my, my, my viewpoint and, my viewpoint never returned to the previous viewpoint in the sense that I now know that that is closer to the truth than anything that I knew before about reality.
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David Lorimer
18:09
And I think you you also write that it struck you with the force of truth, which I thought was very interesting.
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Federico Faggin
18:16
Oh, yeah, Absolutely, Absolutely. And of course, you know, it was the first experience that you can call spiritual experience revealing my spiritual nature because up until that point, I never had such a such an expert since I clearly I had physical experiences, emotional experiences, mental experiences, but never spiritual experiences, which is unity.
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It tells you that you are essentially you are a part whole. You are. You are both a part and a whole. It's crazy, my sound, that's what it is. But by the way, physics quantum physics system in the same thing. A particle is a part whole. It is both a particle and a wave, which, of course, it's a way of the physicists say. In fact, it's neither a part or a wall or or a wave.
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David Lorimer
19:08
But but it is a way of expressing something that appears contradictory and, in fact that, interestingly, it takes one back to Platini's and your Your father's interest. And I just read you a little passage from Platini's theology, which says The hole is in the hole and the one is in the hole and the hole is in the one, and one of them is the whole, and the light which falls on them is infinite.
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It's quite a complicated sentence, but it just this sort of oneness and partners. What Arthur Kirsten I would call a Holon that we're both the part and the whole together, and if you look at it, we are built that way.
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Federico Faggin
19:53
I mean, you know, each cell contains the genome of the hole that we are and so even of ourselves contain the hole that we are because he was. He came from the division of the zygote.
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These I got had the genome and then he divided the desired got, which is the fertilised egg divided and divided and divided. And each division specialised the cell. But at the same time, the self contained the same genome, the entire genome. So now life is an expression of exactly this reality where the hole is in parts and the parts are in the hole.
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David Lorimer
20:42
And this is exactly the experience what the ancient Greeks called Gnosis and that you experience yourself as the whole, even though you are only an element as it were, an individual individualisation of that whole.
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Federico Faggin
20:56
That's right, So so so here we have it, you know, just just just if you look at it the right way, that's what's going on.
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David Lorimer
21:03
Absolutely. And I I think this is the the emerging picture which many many thinkers are now expressing in their in their different ways and from different disciplines, that there is this deep underlying oneness, which connects us and which I think has ethical implications as well.
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Federico Faggin
21:21
I would hope so.
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David Lorimer
21:23
What is your new understanding or the understanding you've arrived at? How does that influence the way you live your life?
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Federico Faggin
21:32
Well, my life changed. That's why in the book, I call it my fourth Life, right. Basically, the fundamental prejudices that I had that came from materialism and reductionism, which are the essence of the physical. The physical is paradigm. I mentioned earlier that I was trained as a physicist,
University Of Padua
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So my whatever understanding of reality I had that came from religions. Catholic religion, in my case, you know, were swept away by a more sensible. What a perceived is to be a more sensible, rational way of looking at reality, which came from from physics.
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And so, you know, I was going happily down that path when the Awakening happen and the Awakening happened, you know, simply said, No, that's wrong, you know, And and luckily, so because I was unhappy in those days, I I had listened to the world.
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I have achieved everything that the world was telling or appear to tell me that if I achieved all of those goals that were pretty pretty difficult to achieve goals like becoming independent financially for the rest of my life, having a great family being healthy, you know, having being famous.
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I mean, you know, I had achieved all of that and I was unbelievably unhappy, and I didn't know why I wasn't happy. I should have been happy. What's wrong with this picture? So So now I'm happy. I'm happy because I know that I'm doing what I actually came down in this world to do.
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So I'm more different. Can that be than being unhappy have been done? Everything that the world tells you that if you do, you should be happy. And now, having done none of that but having followed my sense, the guidance of that Awakening now being happy well, it's just wonderful.
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David Lorimer
23:39
I think it also changed your view on the relative nature of human and artificial intelligence. Maybe say a little bit about that.
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Federico Faggin
23:49
Well, of course. And still, I'm a physicist, right? So I still want to understand how reality can be so constructed After all, physicists have that quest, which is to understand what's real, and understand it, using rationality and also using intuition so that desire to understand now has brought me to first of all to explore my inner life, which before I neglected explore it, finding how rich that inner life is.
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Over about 20 years, that takes takes me to about 10 years ago or so and so for for those 20 years, I had many other experiences. Extraordinary experience of conscious. They revealed many other dimensions of consciousness. Consciousness is unbelievably as an incredible number of dimensions.
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So then about 10 years ago, I decided that it was about time to dedicate myself to this study and trying to reconcile science and spirituality, which have always been basically two separate discipline. Like, you know, they cannot talk to each other because spirituality speaks of a world which is the inner world of experience, which has little to do with the outer world of measurements and relationships that physicists study.
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So. And, of course, the essence of that inner world is consciousness and free will, and the which many physicists deny their existence, you know, fact that they believe that consciousness and flew free will are simply epi phenomena.
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There is no free will, and consciousness is simply You're poor. You, you know you think you're conscious? You think that something is real about that? But really No, no, no, only what you measure is real, and so that mindset has to change. And that mindset which derives directly from materialism and reductionism, as to change because it will lead us to self destruction.
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And I believe it. If we pursue that path as we have done, that is how strongly I feel about it, because in the model that I now have, in fact, it's a theory which I now have, which I have developed with a famous physicist with whom I have been in contact for the last four or five years and, you know, and through many discussions and so on, it was able to see my point.
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And now we have a We have a theory, These physicists Giacomo Mauro Mariano is the head of the theoretical physics groups of University Of Zambia is well known in the world of quantum information because he's the one that and his team that has been able to show that quantum physics derives entirely from quantum information.
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So quantum information is senior to quantum physics and classical physics, and quantum physics is senior to classical physics. And now we say consciousness and free will our senior to quantum information.
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So that is a unbelievable statement. And of course, it's backed up by a bunch of stuff. So you know it's too technical, too, you know, to talk, you know, to to express it verbally, unfortunately, but it takes a little bit of math as well. But but the math is simply, you know it's not fundamental when it comes to experience because experience transcends mathematics.
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It is. It is the quantum information that begins to be express a ble with math and that math even needs to be open ended in the sense that that math must be just like the math of quantum physics, which is probabilistic. In other words, that math is simply telling you what you can know. It doesn't tell you what the world is.
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Classical physics was pretending to tell you how the world is. In other words, one classical physics was pretending to describe the ontology. When a when a body moves the real, the body is real and it really moves and there is real space and so on so forth.
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Well, now we know that quantum classical physics, derived from quantum physics and quantum physics is a pissed emmick, not ontological. The ontology is in the experience and is in denying 12. Music's only tells you all that is possible to know about the reality that you experience big difference and very not understood at all.
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David Lorimer
29:14
And I think you would. You then say that computers can't understand in the same way as as we understand and or they can't know in that way you just described, which I think is one of these fundamental distinctions between artificial and human intelligence.
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Federico Faggin
29:33
Yeah, Activision. Now I can say very clearly that distinction. What is the distinction?
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29:40
Artificial intelligence is based on classical systems. The computer is a purely classical systems based on bits. You cannot go from bits two cubits. You can go only go from cubits to bits.
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And a cubit is an infinite of states where a bit is only two states. As simple as that, you cannot go up, but you can go down.
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In fact, the Cubans are manifestations of who we are, because the ontology is in who we are and who we are is not physical in the sense of physics is not even quantum information. It is beyond quantum information. It is what creates quantum information. You see, the direction is from vaster to less, vastly less, vastly less vast, and everybody talks about. The reduction in reductionism is about going from parts to the whole.
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But but that doesn't work. In classical physics, there is no hole. A Robot made of parts is there is no hole that can decide that it's independent from the parts. The whole that is a Robot is simply a name for a bag of parts. And there is, and the name is not real.
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David Lorimer
31:09
It's not ontology, so it's an aggregation. It's an aggregation.
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Federico Faggin
31:14
In other words, the description of the parts, the complete description of the parts describe the totality of the system, described the system. There is nothing more in this system called Robot than departs and their interactions.
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So the whole the whole, which is a Robot, is just the sum of the parts. And when one says some, it doesn't mean the algebraic sum. Of course it means the the complete description of the parts and their interactions.
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That is what the Robot does. There is nothing in the Robot that can change the departs. In fact, a computer. You know, Look, we we we are made of parts which are hold, as I said earlier. Therefore, there is a path from the whole to the parts a computer, the transistors, which are the parts of a computer.
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They have no hope. They contained no information about the whole You see the difference. Transistor is simply a switch, and the computer is made of billions of switches. The switch does not contain any information about the whole I'm built of 40 trillion cells each Cells contain the information of the whole individual.
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32:48
How more different than that is a computer from a living organism.
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David Lorimer
32:52
Well, I think that's a wonderful and clear explanation. Thank you so much.
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By just coming to the end now,
Federico
and I wondered whether you had a favourite quote or a proverb that you'd like to share with our listeners.Share
Federico Faggin
33:07
You know what? What? Actually, Bill actually comes to mind now is perhaps the quote that comes closest to the transformation that I went through is, Dantes, you know, the adverse in in the in paradise?
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33:27
In this divine comedy. His, no more kmov shell. Oh, came up in solely adultery. Still the love that moves the sun and the other stars.
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David Lorimer
33:45
Goodness, that that's so profound because it links those two aspects of physics and consciousness together I experience.
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33:56
And finally,
Federico
, is there any advice you give to your younger self from what you've done and where you are at the moment?Share
Federico Faggin
34:05
Actually, no. I am one of those people that says everything that happened in my life had to happen good and bad. You see, we try to give advice to ourselves, to avoid what we consider what we have judged to be bad in our life.
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34:22
But in fact, even in fact, most of the things that turned into good where things that were bad when they happen. For example, I told you about my my rift with Ralph, my partner in my first company, and that turned out to be the greatest one of the greatest gifts I had.
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34:48
So how how would I want to change that? Any advice would be, you know, would be directed to a changing something that happened when they were young.
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David Lorimer
34:57
No, I very much like that response. And I was also struck earlier in our conversation about the way that you, as it were, true to your inner self and momentum and impetus what the Greeks called the diamond.
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And so you knew, with all your involvement in the early model aeroplanes, you knew that that was that was really what you needed to do. And then your father provided a bit of resistance by trying to get you to go in a different direction, which probably just made you even more determined to go in the direction you knew you had to go in. That's right.
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Federico Faggin
35:35
That's right, But not out of obstinacy. You know, there is a difference between you want. You want to do it your way, versus you know, within yourself at some level that this is really what you want and what you should be doing, which is has always been behind me in all major decisions in my life. I must say that's a gift is a privilege.
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36:01
Because I recognise that many momentous decisions in my life like, for example, deciding to stay in the US instead of going back to
Italy
when I you know, when I came here in the U. S for the first time, I knew that those were decisions that I had to made.Share
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That my future lied in those decisions and does turn out to be great decisions. But at the same time, you know, even bad decisions then turn out to be, in a sense, good decisions, because I learned something from it.
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David Lorimer
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Well, I think the other thing that strikes me is that you're you're someone who's really remained true to themselves through this whole process of development, you know, right at the beginning. And then through your Awakening into what you're doing now. And I think that there's a great satisfaction in that.
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Federico Faggin
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Well, that's why I'm saying, you know, I'm I'm I'm happy, basically, you know, I know that I'm doing what I came here to do. As I said earlier, you know, And the and the happiness it doesn't mean that there are things that occasionally bother me like, you know, like something that I wouldn't want to, you know, to to have to go through, for example.
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But there is nothing deeper that bothers me where the source of my unhappiness when I 30 years ago, or 30 to 35 years ago, that in some way was resolved by the Awakening experience. But that what What What bothered me at that time was much deeper. I felt it like, you know, like a foundational thing that was bothering me. Something core in the corps Army. Not something.
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But you can, you know, kind of brush off. I couldn't brush it off because again, for the same honesty tour myself for my own feelings, I could not make it Shut up. You know, you cannot shut up the best of you. You have to listen to the best of you. So you asked me before. You know what is the best advice that you can give? I didn't I couldn't come up with a good idea. Now I can tell you.
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Listen, listen to the deepest part of yourself and listen again to the deepest part of yourself because they have the answer that you're seeking.
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David Lorimer
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Federico
, thank you so much. And that's a truly inspiring interview and conversation. We've had I just remind listeners that your new book is SILICON and that it's available on the website that we will put onto the show. Notes.Share
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So wonderful to be able to speak with you and thank you so much.
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Federico Faggin
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Thank you, David. It's a pleasure.
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