Monday, Sep 21, 2020 • 1h, 29min

Robert Kennedy Jr.

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Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. is an American environmental lawyer and activist, author, and, as of 2020, most notably a vocal anti-vaccinationist. Kennedy is a son of Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. Thanks to our sponsor: BetOnline= Bet Online= Visit Betonline.ag , and don’t forget that promocode: PODCASTONE for your sign up bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Mike Tyson
Eben Britton
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Eben Britton
00:00
Bobby. You, you've done a lot of great work. But right now one of your biggest missions is shining a light on this vaccine.
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00:14
Yeah, sure.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
00:16
If you want, yeah, I really wanted to talk about that.
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Eben Britton
00:22
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely do it. Hey everybody Welcome to another episode of hot box and I'm
Eben Britton
and like we've got an American heirloom in here.
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Mike Tyson
00:42
This is a very interesting situation we have here.
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Eben Britton
00:45
Yes. Absolutely robert F Kennedy. Jr, welcome to the hot box. My brother.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
00:50
Thank you for having me, Even, Mike.
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Mike Tyson
00:53
Oh no, nothing. I'm just happy you're here. Listen, we were gonna listen, we're gonna start at that stuff what everyone's talking about. But I want to go, I want to go early. Real early stuff with you. Listen, I was raised by a guy that was born in 1908. So by the time he's 12 years old or something, 20 years old, 1920. By the time he's, by the time he's 20 his, his family named
Joe Kennedy
is a powerhouse, a juggernaut in American, You know, so I'm a 14 year old kid. 13 and I'm being raised in a household with an immigrant Ukrainian woman That's 80 years old at the time, 85 probably and customs 75, at the time and talking they're talking about the experience and all the rumors that they heard about your grandfather. And so your grandfather more so than anybody because of his relationship with the people that he was related to, His relationships with blew my mind when I was a young kid, I didn't even know a person like that could exist. It was like royalty in
America
, right? You must have heard those stories too well.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
02:14
I know a lot of stories of my family.
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Mike Tyson
02:17
Of course, yeah, he was a man, he was
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
02:20
My grandfather, I was very close to my grandfather when I was a little boy. Let me just excuse my voice. I Had a very, very strong voice. I was 42 years old and I got a disease called Spasmodic Dystonia and it makes my voice tremble, particularly when I first started talking usually when my voice warms up, it gets better. So hopefully it will get better. But in the morning like you know right now it's often really bad.
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02:52
But my, you know, I, my grandfather and grandmother were Joseph Kennedy and
Rose Kennedy
were major figures in my life. We were all raised all of their 29 grandchildren, kind of as one family, they had nine kids 29 grandchildren. We were all raised in adjoining houses in a little village, Seaside Village on his board. And we would go from when I was very very young.
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03:20
He had my grandfather had a horse farm in Barnstable about 10 miles away and he would take us horseback riding every morning, we would get up at six and we would ride with him and then we would come home and eat breakfast and then go to mass with my grandmother. She went to daily mass usually twice a day and you know she was very interested in history and particularly American history.
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03:48
They were Irish Catholics from
Boston
eventually left Massachusetts because of the bigotry towards Irish. My grandmother's father was the first Irish catholic marathon
Boston
. Honey feds, they called him
Honey Fitz
. Yeah, because he had a beautiful voice. He had a beautiful singing voice and he would summon his people. She, my grand great grandmother I know did not want to be involved in politics.
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04:24
So my grandfather and my great grandfather,
Honey Fitz
relied on his daughter
Rose Kennedy
and she could speak seven languages and she could play the piano beautifully. He would have torchlight parades in
Boston
where they would have a flat car was hauled by mules and there was a piano on it. She would play the piano and
Honey Fitz
would sing sweet Adeline and and the summons the crowd.
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04:52
No, he was a very, very popular mayor. One of his political rivals was Patrick Joseph Kennedy Who is another Irishman. Their parents all came over in 1848 during the famine to
Boston
.
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05:08
My great great grandfather on my, on you know Joseph Kennedy's grandfather was a cooper, which means he made barrels and then his family started a bar and then they went into, he went into politics and Patrick Joseph Kennedy was a politician, arrival of
Honey Fitz
but they were friends and their children married And, my grandfather, Joseph Kennedy was one of the first Irish Catholics to go to Harvard.
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05:42
People say that he was involved in bootlegging, but it's not true that that historian fact was invented by a guy called Sam helper was A
CIA
official after my uncle, after President Kennedy's death. And he had a job of, of besmirching the Kennedy family name for about 40 years and that's one of the, you know, that's one of the things that he had entered about.
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06:11
My grandfather, my grandfather was uh, he was the youngest anchor in the world. He was 24 years old and he became ambassador to
England
and he was the only wealthy Democrat to support Franklin Roosevelt. He was the only wealthy Wall Street person to support franklin. Roosevelt became Roosevelt's treasurer and did a a national whistle stop tour with Roosevelt.
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06:42
And then when Roosevelt, I was trying to solve the collapse on Wall Street, he created the sec, the Securities And Exchange Commission. And since my grandfather was the only business person on his team, he became the head of the ss, he'd say. And they, you know, they restored faith in Wall Street and kind of as a reward for that. My grandfather was given the post of ambassador in
England
, wow!
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Mike Tyson
07:11
So that's his story. Huh?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
07:13
That's part of it.
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Eben Britton
07:17
So this guy Sam Halpern.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
07:20
Yeah. And I've written a book and then I actually gave you guys, yeah, I'm stoked to dive into that. You know, you're ready because I only gave it to you.
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Eben Britton
07:28
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
07:30
But if the book is really a chronicle of my family's 60 year battle with the C. I. A.
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Eben Britton
07:41
Did that start with your grandfather?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
07:44
Started with my grandfather.
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Mike Tyson
07:45
You would think with the reputation that
Joe Kennedy
had that he was part of the C. I. A.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
07:49
Uh he didn't like this. Yeah, my uncle
John Kennedy
, my grandfather sat on a commission during the during the Eisenhower administration and he said I was called to the Hoover Commission and what is also called the David Bruce Commission. And they looked at what the C. I. A. Was doing with its secret operations around the world and they thought it was a catastrophe for
America
for democracy. My grandfather, I had a very strong belief that
America
could not be an imperial power abroad and continue to be a democracy at home.
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08:28
He felt that if we continue to be a military power abroad, we were going to become a national security state at home and we would lose our democratic rights, which is exactly what happened. I think that what he predicted is what would become, I think we're International securities right now and we're we've devolved away from democracy more and more towards the corporate kleptocracy. And you know, Eisenhower on my birthday in 1960 Jazz Eisenhower gave his last speech in political office just before my uncle took the oath of office and Eisenhower warned
America
is the greatest threat to democracy was not a foreign enemy, but the military industrial complex, which he said would rob everything that we value about this country.
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09:22
And I think my uncle spent the next three years fighting against the military and the intelligence apparatus and I think, you know, and he was killed and then my father ran for office campaigning against that cartel, campaigning against the Vietnam war and he was also killed. And I think our country since that time has been, I'm going down the path of, of becoming a national security state.
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Eben Britton
10:38
So interesting, Eisenhower warned against that as a general.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
10:45
It's historically, it has been the people who actually experienced war in this country. The president who actually experienced war who have done the most to try to keep us out of war. And my uncle, President Kennedy is an example. You know, he was and his brother was killed in the war joking in the, okay, his, his brother in law, My aunt kicks husband was killed right at the beginning of the war.
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11:18
Uh, Andrew Cavendish and, and he lost a lot of his crew and he was lost at sea and presumed dead after his shift was run over by a Japanese destroyer in the black and the streets near the Solomon Island.
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11:35
He was rescued ultimately by a Solomon Island native and he, but he lost a lot of his crew and a lot of his friends were killed. And my uncle was asked by Ben Bradlee who was one of his best friends who was the publisher of the
Washington
post. What do you want your epithet to be in?
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11:58
My, my uncle said he wanted that to be quote, he kept the peace and quote, he said that the primary job of every president he believed was to keep this country out of war and he had the entire military complex of this country and the intelligence apparatus trying to get him to go and allow us trying to get him to go into Berlin trying to get him to go into Berlin Vietnam and during his 1000 days in office, he refused to send a single combat troops abroad.
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12:32
It's sent 16,000 advisors ultimately under huge pressure. The Vietnam who technically weren't allowed to fight, but at fewer people, fewer troops. And he's sent to the University Of Mississippi. I think one black man, James MEREDITH admitted into that university. So it was a very, very small commitment, relatively.
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Eben Britton
12:60
He also avoided the Cuban missile crisis.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
13:03
Right? And the military network forgave him for that. Or the bay of pigs. They wanted to overthrow Castro and you know, you had and that was in league with the mafia with, you know, the Smg and Kana and with
Carlos marcello
and, and Trafficante who was the Tampa boss, all of whom had these big casinos in
Havana
. Castro had closed. So they wanted to kill Castro and the
CIA
.
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13:35
They wanted to kill Castro and they made a partnership and by the end of by 1960 even by the time my uncle became president, it was almost impossible to distinguish where the
CIA
ended and where the mafia began because they were so intertwined and all of their planning and operations interesting and I guess, you know, I just stick to
Joe Kennedy
because he made all listen to existing.
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Mike Tyson
14:05
You know, I'm a strong fan of
Joe Kennedy
because this doesn't exist. This is his, his, his vision before the kids even existed. This is his vision. You know, he saw those guys, he saw Rockefeller and those guys invented and he saw those guys with all that power getting even more powerful.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
14:25
I mean he hasn't and in his mind in some way that he had to m baton that and that's why he wanted the sons to be president, wanted you know my my grandmother had in their house, they had a bunch of newspaper articles that were mounted a lot of pictures of
Honey Fitz
and Patrick Kennedy and she had one that I remember of my uncle of my great grandfather honey.
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14:50
It's flying in one of the first biplanes. I was right after the airplane was invented and you know it was a picture of him flying in that plane and she would take that picture of the frame and she was, which was a picture from the newspaper.
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15:08
She was, she was excited of it and the backside of it were classified advertisements looking you know advertising for job placements under each of the little boxes where the advertised, where the, you know the the advertisement was, there was the phrase in
China
and I and a and that meant no Irish need apply and she would show us that hey you know this is this is why we left
Boston
that's why we moved to new york but in the movie, the gangs in new york it was the Irish that didn't want the Irish to come to new york are the ones that were there already already situated and had everything under control.
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Mike Tyson
15:54
They didn't want these Irish to come to
America
.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
15:58
We have a complex history like
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Mike Tyson
16:03
I know.
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Eben Britton
16:04
So would you say that since Joe and probably before him, even the Kennedy family has been a family for the people?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
16:15
Well,
Honey Fitz
was you know the first member of our family and politics. You have to remember that in
Ireland
it was illegal for Catholics to hold political office. They couldn't be in any profession and they couldn't since the 1691 it couldn't be an attorney.
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16:37
They couldn't vote, I couldn't hold political off as in fact it was illegal during most of that history for Irish to learn to read or write, they were slaves. When they first came here when they first came here the they were they were most of them came to escape famine and the famine was not a natural famine, it was an engineer famine because there was plenty of food in
Ireland
for and British warehouses. The Irish D. E. But the British would not share it with them and the British had forced the Irish because the Irish born on land, The land was all owned by the British and they wanted to grow the Cash crop rather than subsistence crops that grew potatoes which was ship herbal, crack Cash crop and when the potatoes, a mold invaded invaded the potatoes in 1848. And to destroy them all, millions of Irish Almost, I think there were six million Irish and a million died and two million left the country mainly for Australia or
the United States
. And the atlantic was caused by James Joyce, a ball of bitter tears and the Irish and landed on the shore's here. We're mainly illiterate.
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Mike Tyson
17:57
James Joyce is the Great Irish one.
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Eben Britton
17:59
Yeah.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
18:00
And they were poor, but they also, or tremendously interested in literature because they've been starved from it and poetry and in politics because, and they took to politics like a starving man takes the food.
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18:18
And they were natural that as you know, they showed in the angles of new york, they were, they soon came to dominate almost all the urban centers in
America
as they flooded in and a you know, and, and local politicians would take control.
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18:35
So
Honey Fitz
was the first ghetto Irish to be elected in
Boston
and he then went to
Congress
and in
Congress
, he passed a law making it illegal to have well language requirements for new immigrants because he was trying to protect the Italian immigrants because people, you know, in many parts of
the United States
, we're laws being passed with an effort to keep Italians from voting and so they had to have passed literacy tests and my grandfather passed laws saying you couldn't give those kind of literacy tests and anybody who's familiar with writes, history knows that's the way that, you know that during the jim crow days in the
South
literacy tests were the primary mechanism for keeping african Americans from Absolutely, absolutely.
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Mike Tyson
19:37
I am aware of that. You know, a lot of those african civil rights leaders were taught to read by Communist civil, you know, those, intellectual communists, but also the board's attested on another
South
.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
19:52
I were illiterate, but even the ones who weren't illiterate like booker t
Washington
, you know, was read read the constitution and then was quizzed on it, asked everything, you know, answered every question perfectly. We was still denied the right to vote because it was a white panel and if a white farmer came in who couldn't read and asked him to sign it the same, they say you can vote.
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Mike Tyson
20:20
So they have different rules applying listen, don't actually, it's not forget about politics and stuff, just you as your life. You must have seen everything and all such a different level. You want to see ads kissing at a different level. You must have seen power different. Who have you seen in your house, who came to your house, who said that your family rules?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
20:45
Yeah, I would say a almost anybody, I mean hickory, which was not the queen of
England
, virtually all the presidents have been at, you know, at my house, I was in hickory almost did you go to school with the bushes and stuff and you know, coming up, you know, your father knew that when he was younger.
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Mike Tyson
21:14
I'm your father and your uncle.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
21:16
I knew them. I ran into some in politics. You know, I ran into him in the 1980 political campaigns and George Bush when he was C. I. A. The first President Bush, my mother had a had a zip line at her house that was installed by the, by the green Berets.
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21:38
My family was very, very close to the green Berets because president Kennedy when he was president, the panic on did not want them to wear Berets.
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21:51
And my uncle was, he, he sort of kind of saw special forces as a peace court with guns and he believed that they rightly or wrongly that they could be used to keep us out of major wars and that they would be the equivalent of the Communist guerrillas who would go into countries and convert you know, local populations that that it would have this emerald, so he believes strongly and they wanted to wear a beret.
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22:24
And the pentagon didn't want. And he was holding a beret. My uncle passed an executive order that will to keep them in from and on.
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22:35
We had a very, very close relationship to them and a would come to our house, but they built an obstacle course at home including a very, very dangerous zip line that a lot of people went on that zip line, A lot of people went to the hospital because it went from the top of Henry Hill to the bottom and there was no break on it, somebody had to grab the rope and in fact mom ali was on that and fell.
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23:01
Uh but but George Bush went on and when he was vice president, which showed a lot of courage, Did you ever meet jean Connie? Yes, I knew he was close to my grandfather and he, you know, one of the things about him, he was a very literate man.
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Mike Tyson
23:24
He was the 1st 1.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
23:26
Yeah, Well his, his son
John Tony
, his name was Baruch, Johnny or
John Tony
, it was my uncle teddy. His best friend Gene Tunney was, he was John Tunney was senator from California and he went to University Of Virginia Law School with my uncle.
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23:48
But Gene Tunney the fighter who uh you know that famous Dempsey and firpo, he became, he he was my grandfather, joseph Cantonese golfing partners kind of him and cardinal Spellman or cardinal cushing would look altogether And he was a literate man and he had, I forgot how many fights, but he had about 25 fights.
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24:20
Okay, Yeah. Before while he was practicing for he would memorize the plight of Shakespeare and that's one of the kind of mental disciplines and he memorized all the plays, you know, there's a book about him and
George Bernard
shaw.
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Mike Tyson
24:36
They went on a vacation a trip together. It's called, well it's called the boxer and the writer, the poet, whatever him and
George Bernard
sure they went on a trip together and he was golfing buddies with Joe as well.
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Eben Britton
24:54
That's crazy. That's crazy. Have you seen the movie
The Irishman
? Yeah. How does that ring as far as your uncle and everything?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
25:10
It's not, you know, I actually like that will be a lot and I think, you know, like my kids walked out of it because it was two hours too long, but I could have watched it for another two hours. I just watching others actors. The other one I really liked was the Tarantino of with you know, and my kids also love Tarantino did not like that movie. I love that movie. Just watching those guys acting. Yes. Oh great.
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Eben Britton
25:46
Great.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
25:47
In terms of the treatment of my family, it's not historically accurate. My, the idea that
Sam Giancana
had anything to do with helping the Kennedys during the 1960 election in
Chicago
, which is another myth that was started by saying I'm a helper is, it's, it's totally implausible. Actually, I was at, you know, my father had been prior to the presidency. The biggest scourge of the mafia had ever done in. My father was running the rackets for
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Mike Tyson
26:25
Your grandfather wouldn't want friends didn't,
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
26:27
No, no, no. My father ran the rackets Committee in the United States Senate. My uncle was a senator and it was on the rackets Committee. My father was like the Mueller of that time and he was calling all the mobsters Joey gallo and
Sam Giancana
and
Jimmy Hoffa
and all these people stand back, the people who are tied in with the mob and for four years He was grilling them 18 months, 1960 election.
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27:02
He grilled
Sam Giancana
and I was there and because my mother would bring us every day and sit in the front row and watch him and she would explain to us what was happening. We were watching these, you know, major mafia figures,
Sam Giancana
took the 5th I think 75 times and my father and at one point my father said, is it true that when somebody offends you that you kill them and stuff them in the trunk of a car, he said, I take the fifth and he said, is it true that you take your opponents and hang them on meat hooks? And he said, I take the fifth And then he started giggling, My father said to him, are you are you giggling Mr Giancana?
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27:49
Isn't that something that only little girls, you little girl Mr Giancana Giancana hated my father and to to say that 18 months after that my father who ran my uncle's campaign would have allowed anything to do with
Sam Giancana
, Giancana would be inclined to want to help the Kennedys in any way and all of that? And you know, for the idea that my grandfather would have gone behind my father's back who was running that campaign, make it, you know, with a man that my father despised and who would have had then the power they injure the Kennedys if they, you know, if if all you have to do is publicly say,
Joe Kennedy
came to me and asked me, you know, to help him on the election. All of that is not only just the sheer baloney, but it is you know, it's completely implausible and not a not only that, but what they say is at the Kennedy has won the election because, you know, there's mafia help in
Chicago
, this was the C. I. A story. But even if if we had lost Illinois During the 1960 election, we would have still won the election because we had the we didn't need the state of Illinois. And it's no doubt there was corruption in Illinois. There was corruption by Republicans. Downstate. There was corruption by Mayor Daley and his team in
Chicago
. And they were, they were mainly, and you know, there were many local investigations afterwards and they all show that the corruption was designed was targeting local campaigns? Local judges and not the presidential campaign targeting his grandfather?
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Mike Tyson
29:48
You know, he was a good guy.
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Eben Britton
29:54
So what what was it that why did the C I a want to destroy the Kennedy family's, It started with my grandfather.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
30:04
My grandfather was one of the upset a lot of people in this prime uh In the and in the 50s he wrote a report saying that we should abandon the clandestine services at that point. You know they had over on the government and install the dictatorship was overthrown. The The first democratically elected government in the history of Iran in the 4000 year history of that country.
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30:29
Very very popular mom at Mossadegh. And we had installed a dictatorship run by the shoulder and we had the C. I. A. Had overthrown a democratically elected government of Wonderful Got Men in
Guatemala
. Jacobo Arbenz killed many, many people.
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30:48
And and my grandfather wrote a report saying this is hurting
America
all over the world and we're supposed to be the friend of democracy, we shouldn't be overthrowing it. And people know what we're doing is and you know this service is out of control and that was one thing. And then my uncle came in. Richard Nixon had planned the bay of pigs invasion and he had been vice president but he was in charge.
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31:14
He called it his brainchild. But they had left the execution to my uncle. My uncle was very unwilling to do it because his attitude was if if
Cuba
wants to experiment with communism. God bless them that's there right now. We experimented with government here if communism doesn't work for them eventually they will overthrow it.
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31:41
And the worst thing would be for
America
to go in and tell an independent sovereign asian, particularly in a bullying way. You can experiment with your own form of government. And he sent that message to Castro. But Cash, by the time he came in the C. I. A.
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31:59
Had trained, you know of the east 2000 Cubans armed and trained him in
Guatemala
arms. And and then we're ready to go. And my uncle said to Dulles, he said, you know, you can let him, he didn't want them to you at all that Alice had if we keep them here, they're armed and they're going to cause a lot of problems. You gotta let them go and they were political considerations etcetera.
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32:32
There's a young president Less than 2 1/2 months in office and he said, we don't want to make sure your assurance that there will be no involvement of the US military. And they said there won't be no need as soon as these guys land in
Cuba
, Castro is so unpopular that there'll be a huge uprising and overthrow them.
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32:55
They knew Dulles and Bissell and cabell that three C. I. A chiefs and Lemon who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs Of Staff. All knew they were lying. They all knew that Castro was immensely popular, that he had a very well trained army and that he had an intelligence service rivaling any in the world.
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Mike Tyson
33:17
You ever meet Castro?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
33:18
I'm and I'm a lot.
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Mike Tyson
33:20
You met Jacob era.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
33:21
No, I met Castro in fact, I went with my wife, Cheryl Hines my children. I guess the last time I met him was about five years ago. But I've talked to him about the assassinations and talked to him about did I meet Batista? No, he was he was long gone. I suppose he's, I don't know whatever happened to him. But he went to Miami I think got rid of him quick.
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33:52
Huh? Well he's you know, my uncle president Kennedy really blamed Batista or the emergence of Castro. And you know, and and in many ways a Cash flow embracing communism was what are doing because Castro on it, you know, earth's came to us camped in new york. He tried to meet with Eisenhower. Eisenhower said he was busy playing golf and they made it, We made an excellent and Nixon said we need to overthrow.
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34:28
He said, I don't know if he's Communist but he may be under Communist influence and we need to overthrow. And then we started making water on him and he and we close standard oil will close the only oil refinery in
Cuba
which was a chokehold on their economy. The Cuban said, 1st of all, United fruit stop buying their sugar that shut down their economy.
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34:57
So they made a deal with Russia and said, okay you send us oil will send you sugar. And you know, we treated that as an act of four but really it was an act of survival. And then the C. I. A. Started bombing them. They bombed shopping center in
Havana
and killed a lot of people. And at that point Castro said, okay we're going to be Communist.
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35:19
That's what we're being accused of that Cash. It's all May. He said I was always got minutes, Jay was Communist because Jay was in
Guatemala
in 1950. For when we won the Ci over overthrew Arbenz. He was working in a hospital, taking care of poor people there. And that transformed him into a comments.
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35:43
But the People who came over with Cash from
Mexico
on the you know, they had a they had a boat, cabin cruiser called the Abuela. And there was I think 70 people on it who were all soldiers. And Castro told me, I said did you choose them? Because they had a big force. And in
Mexico
they were training and I said did you choose the ones who are hardcore communists? And he said no.
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36:10
The only criteria what you had who went on the well was their eyes because they only wanted small people so it could fit more people onto the boat because it was a tiny little boat. And he said most of the people on the Abuela, we're not going to miss, you know the guys who started who triggered the revolution from this here padre. And so it was interesting.
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Eben Britton
36:35
You know, it's fascinating.
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Mike Tyson
36:37
Yeah, I think your life, this is what I'm talking about your stuff. Your family's all close. How did you feel when John Junior went through that accident?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
36:47
Oh, of course I felt very bad.
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Eben Britton
36:49
He was like my brother, ah, you know him and Mike had a pretty close relationship.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
36:55
He interviewed Georgian.
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Mike Tyson
36:58
They came to see me when I was in prison too, since I met him. He was an interesting guy. I thought it was very interesting.
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Eben Britton
37:08
Yeah, it was crazy.
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Mike Tyson
37:09
Everybody had a lot of weight on his shoulders. Huh?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
37:12
And then being that carried it very well. It was a very happy, fun, fun, loving. He was very gifted in many, many ways.
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37:25
He was an amazing storyteller. He had a gift for mimicry. He could mimic any. And he, like whether you were rushed and or Irish, he could do, he was, he was interested in and he was interested in the arts. It was incredibly knowledgeable about history, philosophy, art, science. He's just an all around, a really interesting guy.
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Mike Tyson
37:52
So listen, what do you think? Do you think? He was like, he was like selectively bred. Oh, John, like his, his, his, his father probably said this is a, this is a great, future leaders. Yeah future wife. No, to his, to his wife, John's mother, I think John, my uncle, That's what they did. This is the best one yet.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
38:16
But that's not what's best for me.
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Mike Tyson
38:18
That family.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
38:19
That's not what happened in our family. Nobody would put up with that. My uncle married Jackie because you know, she was an amazing catch. Any of her really.
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38:35
My grandfather really had a close relationship with her. He really when he, when he had dinner at his house, he always a Jack in X store because she was an incredible conversation. Ist She was she was my son. Bobby is my father. But she was you know, she had an extraordinary intellectual curiosity.
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38:60
She had had an extraordinary life and she was interested in everything. She spoke half a dozen languages. She was interested in how other people lived in the history. She edited books because she loved Knowledge.
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Mike Tyson
39:16
Do you from your experience, Do you believe that she was a happy person and you believe life really hit her hard.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
39:24
I think that she was you know, like any of us, like nobody is happy all the time. You know, we all are lucky that we experience moments of joy in our life and we're lucky if we can enjoy them and be grateful. I think she practiced ungrateful.
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39:48
And that she I think she was like, like most of that generation of my family. She was absolutely destroyed the first several years after my uncle's death. And then you know, she was completely in love with my father. And when my father died, I think she just felt like the world had ended.
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Eben Britton
40:17
That's just so devastated.
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Mike Tyson
40:19
You know her mother, I mean she was very interested.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
40:27
Who was that guy that her father was an interesting guy?
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Mike Tyson
40:30
Blackjack, Blackjack lift up for a picture in the movie of Janet and, and, Jackie and there's a picture of blackjack with her mother but holding her mother's friend's hand. That's a possibility after that picture And they had a whole, they're sitting on a horse ranch whose blackjack, what did he do? He was there too, wasn't he mayor?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
40:56
He was a very, you know, he was, he was a very wealthy kind of sportsmen. And my points out that he was, had a reputation of being a playboy.
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Mike Tyson
41:11
He looked interesting.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
41:13
He looks a lot like, John jr yeah, he looks and they called him black Jack because he had very, very thick black hair.
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Mike Tyson
41:23
John yeah, same here at the same time. I look at that, wow, he looks like John same here, wow!
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Eben Britton
41:35
Well, do you, do you feel like was the
CIA
involved in the assassination of your uncle?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
41:41
I would say. Yes. I mean it's very well established now that your father even, well, let me, let me talk about two things really.
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41:56
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
42:49
I think the evidence of
CIA
involvement with president Kennedy is as an agent is incontrovertible at this point including I think it's incontrovertible that Lee Harvey Oswald was AC. A as at since 1956 that he was recruited by James, jesus angleton who was head of counterintelligence.
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43:15
His problem was at that time a marine and he was a radar operator at at uh at the Youtube air base in Japan and then he defected to the soviet union but it was a false affection. He actually, we now know that he defected that he was being used as a
CIA
as what they call a dangle. There was a soviet mole in Langley and nobody could figure out who it was.
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43:48
But they had exposed every soviet spy since the beginning of the agency and they were trying to expose angleton was trying to it was the soviet mall. So he put a tag a trigger on Oswald's file at Langley. And then God as well to fake this affection hoping that the mole would be contacted by their KGB superiors and told go look at the Oswald file and find out who this guy is.
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44:20
And anybody who touched that file, they wouldn't know who did it And it never happened. And so Oswald was recalled and it came back to
the United States
in 60 and 62 without it ever being punished without it being supposedly questioned by the C. I. A. The State Department paid his way home. They sent him to Dallas and Dallas was met a C.
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44:48
I. A assets taken care of place in the job at the book depository. It's all of that is very very well documented in terms of my father. You know, here's what we now know about. And I always when I was a little kid, I have something that my uncle was killed by you know some kind of a conspiracy and which is what
the United States
that in
the United States
Congress
during their investigations made the same conclusion.
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45:22
And the warren commission did not that the warren commission was run by Allen Dulles who was I and who my uncle had fired and he became, he inculcated himself onto the warren commission and and lied, you know kept them away from this.
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45:41
Yeah. And basically produced a fake report. And when a church, the Committee came you know in 1972 73 74 and investigated it a said it was certainly a conspiracy. But I assume that from the beginning because I was in the white house, you know my uncle's body was in the white house awake and air and I was there with my father and my aunt Jackie and and a bunch of my cousins and brothers.
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46:17
When Lyndon Johnson came in that two days after my uncle was killed and said that Lee Harvey Oswald has been shot by Jack ruby and he thought it was all that was. And I went to my father and my mom and said why did he do that? Did he love our family? Wait because why would he done it Right.
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46:44
And I was to me I was a little kid, you know, little 10 year old kid saying why I do it. I turned on my father's initial reaction was that he had killed his brother. He you know, he questioned uh he questioned all ahead of a top man, a bunch of his contacts and the Cuban division of the C. I. A.
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47:10
And then two years later he asked frank incident walter showered and who was this kind of security guy to look into Jack ruby and what they found was that ruby not only had was a mobster and work for the Giancana family and was presently working for Carlos Marcello's family which was all tied in with the C. I. A. He was also an honor for this
Cuba
.
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47:42
So but I had always assumed that my father that her hand killed my father and because Hannah confessed to it and and you know there was a trial supposedly but a couple of years ago when I started investigating in this book that I was writing it.
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48:06
You know I looked at the Paul Schrade who was with my father when he was shot as a union leader, one of the heads of the United Auto workers, he was the guy who recruited Cesar shop as into the labor movement and and he introduced him to my father and they became best friends and so Paul was very very close and was with him.
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48:33
The first bullet at sur hand fired hit Paul Schrade and add and part eight has never believed that's certainly killed my father, that's her. And and and so I end up Paul forced me to sit down to read the autopsy report and stuff I never wanted to do and to look at all the evidence that has accumulated since my father's death.
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Mike Tyson
49:05
And so ethel's your mother right.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
49:08
Another It was it was 77 I is in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel and my father was killed and many, many of them had a view of what happened very you could view the whole scene but they could view parts of that. Everybody without exception places sur hand five ft to 10 ft away from my father in front of him, he never got behind him and he was always in front with a table between them Sir and two shots.
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49:50
And my father the first one hit balls right in the head. The second one hit a door jam at my father's head level behind my father and then he was grabbed by Carl Volker who was the Who was the concierge at the Ambassador Hotel and by Rafer Johnson and six other people.
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50:13
It was a dog pile and they all piled on him and they grabbed the first thing they did was grab his hand it directed in the opposite direction and they could not get the gun away from him and he was powerful as a like a superman. They said they were all trying to take the gun away.
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50:34
It is a little guy and he fired six shots in the other direction and hit people huh one person got hit twice but all those bullets are accounted for. There are only a chambers and his gun and two were fired towards my father and six in the opposite direction and we know what happened to every one of those bullets.
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50:59
My father was shot four times one of the shots and they all four times were from behind and with a gun. That was that was and they were all what a coroner thomas contact shots. The barrel of that gun was touching my clothes, er When the, when the trigger was pulled and he had carbon tattoos from all four shots, one of the shots went harmlessly through his sleeve and through his shoulder pad.
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51:35
All of the shots were fired from a low angle toward the ceiling. Whoever fired those shots were standing behind him concealing the gun and firing at the same time that Sirhan was distracting people essentially.
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51:51
And the person who almost certainly fired those shots, he was a security guard who was holding my father's arm at that time called Eugene Ain'T Caesar and a dozen people saw him with his gun drawn. My father fell back on him and as he fell he turned and pulled off. It's a clip on tie.
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52:17
Cesar lied to the police is gone. He told many, many different stories about when he had drawn his gun. He lied, he said he did on the 20 to the police, didn't talk to him and I didn't confiscate his gun By the time they talked to him and he said, yeah, I own the 22 but I sold it a month before the shooting. As it turns out that was a lie.
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52:41
He's over a month after the shooting and he sold it to a man who worked at him with him in the high security section of the Lockheed actually here in
Los Angeles
who then moved to Arkansas later talked to investigators and said yeah he had a receipt from when he was sold and it was cold in july. My father was skeleton and sister told him at that time this gun was used in a crime but don't talk to anybody about it.
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53:12
Fazer as it turns out what is A C. I said he died about three weeks ago and he died in the Philippines where he's lived for the past three decades.
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53:27
And but he's almost certainly the person who killed my father now his job as a security guard that he got five days before when it was already known that my father was going to be speaking there.
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53:47
We don't know exactly what happened but there are and then you know the investigation was a botched investigation appears to have been deliberately botched by the LAPD. It was run by people within the L. A. P. D. All of whom had they were there was a special unit created called special unit senator to invest in my father's death. Almost all the members of that unit were ex.
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54:15
C. I. A. Agents who had trained in the C. I. A farm in in
Virginia
and shipped down to Latin America to do dirty tricks work there and then brought back from this investigation And they destroyed before our hands trial. They destroyed 1200 pieces of evidence including all the bullets And, and, and about 1200 photographs as well that were taken in the room that night.
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54:51
So, you know, there's a lot of questions, There's never really, I believed that there had been a trial as it turns out, there wasn't a trial. Her hands attorney was an attorney who somehow, and nobody can explain how he was a mob attorney who was representing
Johnny Roselli
.
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55:17
Oh man! At that time there was a famous trial in
Los Angeles
called the Friars Club trial. And you know what the Friars Club is, Friars Club is where they started roast it and it was, it was all the rat pack.
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55:38
Actors like Joey bishop and Frank Sinatra and Dean and Dean martin and all of those guys were members of Prior Club and they get together every couple of months and roast one of their members and to get in there yet to be wearing a tux. And they also had a gambling, a poker game or a gambling is saying, I'm not sure which, but there was a poker game in there.
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56:02
And as it turns out,
Johnny Roselli
was the owner of the Club,
Johnny Roselli
was the C I a s liaison to the model That's a trip, you know him, he was in the 20s to, yeah, he was an interesting guy. He was a devout catholic. He, he didn't have a home address. But he was tied in with and Connor, but also
Carlos marcello
and Trafficante.
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56:27
He had installed secret cameras in the fires Club so they could read everybody's cards and they were cheating. He got caught and he was on trial at the time. My father was killed and was a huge trial during that trial. His attorney got arrested for having the grand jury transcripts which is illegal for anybody to have, It's a serious crime, you go to jail for it.
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56:57
And somehow he got the transcripts of the grand jury. So and clearly the mafia had some bribe, somebody to get that given it to the attorney. The attorney wouldn't tell where he got that he was facing criminal charges also disbarment and in the middle of all that he was appointed as Sirhan's attorney. He told strahan to plead guilty if serhane had pleaded innocent.
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57:28
There was no way that he could have gotten convicted because the bullets we're in his gun. The bullets that killed my father did not match the ballistics the bullets in his gun, but but let's hit the other eight people in the but he was told. And so anyway, Now has no memory has had since that 80 has no memory of what happened, but there's a lot of hints about kind of how he got in at the state.
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57:59
Yeah, he's in prison. I actually want to say about, He's just like seven E 75 or something. Wow pete. I went and met with him uh, about, I don't know, last year.
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Eben Britton
58:16
So Bobby. How do you, you know both your father and your uncle? Your really your I mean your whole lineage, your family lineage has been about in a big way to me protecting the people or being for the people's rights. And you know, your uncle had that, you know, going back to this feud with the C. I. A. He had that whole speech about doing away with secret societies, et cetera and getting rid of these clandestine operations.
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58:56
And do you feel like how do you interpret this in yourself? Like is this about, is this almost sort of, I don't want to say the price but of standing up for what's good and right in the world shining the light into the darkness. Like how do you rectify this in yourself?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
59:23
You know, I don't really think about it in those terms. I think a you know, they had a very idealistic view of this country on
America
. They saw
America
as an exemplar in Asia and they felt that we were, and, and by that, I mean in the best sense of the word that we were supposed to be an example a shining example of what human beings could accomplish? Through self governance.
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59:52
In a humane and just and democratic system. They believed in free market capitalism. But they believed in a humane system and they also believe that the biggest danger to our country would come from entanglements, foreign entanglements.
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01:00:10
That would, that would make, that would turn us into a militarized nation and they spent a lot of time fighting at and I, you know, I think to me that is the most important part of their legacy. You know, I think they were, they did have a battle with the
CIA
and I think, you know, that probably had something to do with both of their deaths wow.
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Mike Tyson
01:00:41
And I want my championship in November 22.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:00:45
Which championship?
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Mike Tyson
01:00:46
My first championship in 1986, 22 as president Kennedy's anniversary, wow.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:00:57
That's interesting Mike, how did you decide to put a tattoo on your face?
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Mike Tyson
01:01:02
I just thought, that's was who I was.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:01:09
That's a real commitment.
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Mike Tyson
01:01:13
I don't know, life is, life is a commitment, uh, Bobby.
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Eben Britton
01:01:24
You, you've done a lot of great work as well yourself with the environment, your environmental initiatives. But right now one of your biggest missions is shining a light on this vaccine issue you want to talk about?
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Mike Tyson
01:01:44
Yeah, sure.
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Eben Britton
01:01:46
If you want.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:01:49
Yeah, I really want to talk about that.
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Eben Britton
01:01:53
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Mike Tyson
01:01:56
Like me, I've been with bird. I've been flying burger since I was nine years old.
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01:02:01
Some bully kids picked on the bully and made me clean the pigeon coop and be there go for like the birds there and back condition they're flying to get tired of flying into the roof. So I have to go on the roof and scare the birds off the roof or go to the store for these guys because they're lazy and stuff, buy them cigarettes and buy them some juices and cookies and stuff.
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01:02:20
And so I just wanted to be around the birds all the time. So I was willing to be this guys go for a slave, whatever it before I can get more advanced and educated on the pigeons. And so one day I I was a little criminal Castells, I broke into somebody's house and stole some money and stuff and I went and bought like 100 pigeons or more.
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01:02:41
And I showed somebody on my opinions and he went and told some other big kids where my opinions were and I was trying to fight and it was stealing my birds and then my mother came up and came up and scared them until one guy stole one of my purse and ran out and I was saying please come on get my birds back. And they said no you fat sucking ***, I don't give me a ship.
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01:03:00
And he popped my bird's head off and pulled blood on me and I was the first fight ever had in my life. And then I kind of I used to get picked on all the time. And then ever since somebody saw me fight, everybody wanted me to be their friend. And that's how I began the fighting. I was everybody because I was I wasn't afraid to fight anyone wow.
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Eben Britton
01:03:22
And your relationship with pigeons was sealed in blood.
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Mike Tyson
01:03:26
Yeah. And never so I have them now.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:03:29
You know we used to have birds today. You have birds today.
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Mike Tyson
01:03:34
Listen, I broke my fans my phone. If I would show you my pigeon coop, you would say what the hell? My opinion cooper is like a house. There's no doubt about it, man. That's just what was, that's what my whole life is about pigeons.
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01:03:50
What got me out of it just got me out of trouble. I still got in trouble but it just I wouldn't be done. I don't have nowhere to go because they were bullying me at school. And that's why I didn't go to school because I was scared again. Bullies like you flew pigeons.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:04:04
I just started when I was around the same age and I got I don't I don't get rent homers and we would raise. I lived in
Virginia
at that time but we would raise you know you you you when you're raising them you go farther and farther from your house and 250 miles wow. A really good one. Even 500 miles. There's nothing for You know, they just sold out. One one 0.5 million dollars.
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Mike Tyson
01:04:38
Listen, I looked it up yesterday.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:04:41
Armando he was uh, to Chinese bidders, Chinese people there.
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Mike Tyson
01:04:46
They're the champions, Chinese.
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01:04:50
Listen, listen, let me explain something to you. I would go to foreign countries. You beca stan my style. It's his name Romania. I would go and I would go around people need to be the under the administration, politics, the politicians. And I would say, hey, who's the biggest pigeon fancier around here?
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01:05:14
And they said really? And they would take me and these guys who had pigeon coops that would just, they would drop houses that look like this and it's this, they must be the local crime lord or something because they have, it's just, it's amazing.
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01:05:29
Thousands of acres of the farm and they have these bigger lab and picnic oops, that's cost millions of dollars. They have staff to take care of them. And the food they feed them constantly. That claims that constantly automatic. It's just, you can't believe it. It's amazing. The pigeon world is just amazing Why, Huh? Why?
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01:05:48
Because God given us that opportunity to and intermingle with nature. You know what happened? Like I was talking yesterday, I had a big deal. You know, I'm thinking somewhere in this world and I was looking at the guy wayne diet I was and he said, when you look out this world, what do you see? And he explains.
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01:06:10
But you don't know, you see perfection, the world is perfected or raise regards what we think about what we think about the racism, about. We think about the, the politics here and the, the rights and every this is perfected. Who are we to question And we could change it.
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01:06:27
But this is perfected. And that's why we have, that's why we have a complex with the world because we don't like it. But we don't like the perfection of the world. This is the way the universe made it. And we disagree with the universe.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:06:43
Patrons like people, all different person is, you know what you can tell the females and the males and the way that they behave strategies that they use inside the coop and their genius traveling are all things I could sit and watch pigeons for weeks and not get bored.
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Mike Tyson
01:07:10
I love it. That's how I used to when I used to be when I trained in another state, another country. I had people feel my pigeons and they sent me the tapes and I watch it for hours. Just my pigeon on the cool flying watching in the air flying. Want some land.
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Eben Britton
01:07:23
Well they used to carry messages to write it.
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Mike Tyson
01:07:26
Still is really still do it.
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Eben Britton
01:07:30
Yeah, it's amazing. So you, since you were a little boy, you raised pigeons?
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:07:38
Yeah, I raised pigeons and raised them.
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01:07:43
And well you raised, you know you train them the way that we used to do it. They do it differently today. But the way that we used to do it is we would all put our pigeons on the same train people from the, you know, the same area, put them on the same train, the train would go down to Delaware. Sometimes people would have a truck and the conductor would release them all at once.
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01:08:12
And and they and when you're pitching your pigeon flies back into your coop, there's a pigeon door that lets him in. But he can't get out when he goes through that you grab the pitch and you take off his band, you throwing it down to the you clock it down. You have to go back then you have to go to the post office and get a time stamps.
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01:08:30
And that's how you would win the race. And you're you would make your pigeons. Oh, you know, you would train them to go further and further and further. So I take my pigeons to school with me and release them. And you know, they play at home and I it's not going to drive me out of the country and release some of the biggest racist sun city South africa.
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Mike Tyson
01:08:51
They have the most multi million dollar race.
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Eben Britton
01:08:55
Have you been have you seen it Mike personally personally? But have you been there for that? No, no, no.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:09:06
I kind of switched to hawks when I was I did to you know why?
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Mike Tyson
01:09:13
Because they were attacking my birthday. I laid a trap for them. So I catch them. And then after raising them.
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Eben Britton
01:09:18
Yeah. I was gonna say when aren't hawks they they'll predator had enough friendly with pigeons. Yeah, they'll eat pigeons.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:09:27
Yeah.
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Mike Tyson
01:09:27
I think I've seen I've seen an eagle grab of, I will kill them in his heart. Yeah.
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Eben Britton
01:09:37
Yeah. Birds of prey, man, They're vicious.
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01:09:42
So right now Bobby, you have a documentary that's out backs too. And it's really tackling this issue of vaccines and really the horrible side effects that these things cause.
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01:10:04
You know, this has been an issue that my wife and I have been dealing with. We have an eight year old daughter and we were talking about it a little bit earlier.
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01:10:11
But you know, vaccines, we live in this, we live in this country where, you know, Western medicine people have become so dogma ties done by doctors and Western medicine and giving our health over to these health care professionals who, you know, it's kind of, it's a pharmaceutical model rather than, you know, rather than building your immune system, which is, you know, is like a Ferrari our immune system.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:10:51
We've kind of adopted this pharmaceutical model which is more about treating symptoms and you know, I'm not saying anything about about doctors because the doctors have saved my life and I'm very grateful of the medical profession. But, you know, nowadays, particularly with the pediatricians we're seeing this explosion of chronic illness in our children.
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01:11:16
And it's not just autism, autism has dropped from one in 10,000 in my generation to one in 34. And my kids generation, it's all the allergic diseases like peanut allergies, autoimmune diseases like is in rheumatoid arthritis and all the neurodevelopmental disease like A. D. D. A. D. H. D. E. A speech delay, narcolepsy, narcolepsy ticks. Asked autism and all of those diseases became epidemic in 1989.
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01:11:49
Oh, if you were born according to HHS Health and human services, if you were born prior to 1989, which is the year they changed the vaccine schedule, Your chance of having a chronic diseases 12%. If you were born after 1989 it's 54%. And all of the diseases that have become epidemic, there's about 300 of obesity is sitting there and obesity is linked to vaccines, interesting injuries that have become an epidemic.
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01:12:29
I mean, there's about 300 diseases. Every one of them are listed as side effects On the manufacturer's inserts 72 vaccines that are now mandated for our children. The thing that people have to understand is that the four companies And make all 72 of those vaccines which is fight, sir.
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01:12:55
And all of those companies are convicted felons and not only that their serial felons, their business model is committing felonies. These companies in the last 10 years collectively have paid $35 billion dollars in penalties, damages, fines for Falsifying Science, for defrauding regulators, lying to doctors and for killing hundreds of thousands of people.
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01:13:25
Vioxx, which was merc's flagship product, killed between 120,500,000 Americans. This was a bill and Mark was selling as a headache pill. And Merckx new caused heart attacks and killed people and they didn't tell anybody and they knew, you know, we got the spreadsheets that show they're being counted, their accountants and this is you're gonna kill so many people per dose.
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01:13:54
We can still make more money even if they all sue us. In the end they killed, you know, up to half a million Americans and they got away with what they got, They paid $7 billion dollars in fines. Nobody went to jail. And this is, Yeah.
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01:14:15
So this is a company that these, it requires kind of a cognitive dissonance to believe that these companies that are lying and cheating on every other pharmaceutical product, every other medical devices that create are somehow found, jesus vaccines and aren't lying to us. And the thing is with vaccines, vaccines that the only place they could never get caught Because it's illegal in this country.
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01:14:45
The Sioux of vaccine company. So
Congress
passed a law in 1986, it said no matter how negligent that company is, no matter how malicious are, no matter how toxic the product you, no matter how grievous your injury you cannot sue them if you kill somebody, if your company killed somebody in
China
you're gonna die. Yeah here.
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Mike Tyson
01:15:10
Yeah and they've set up a whole court system with some Vaseline or some mouthwash or something in an accident. Somebody get allergic reaction that you do give you. And yes your business partners your your family is your partners to come on right here. Boom boom boom you're dead.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:15:27
And then they they don't play around you know and they can't get caught. The only way that they got caught on all those other cases is that private plaintiffs attorneys sued them on behalf of an injured client. And then during the discovery process uncovered all this evidence, documents showing criminal activity.
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Mike Tyson
01:15:57
Yes ship that sound like some lawyer ship. Good ship good lawyer ship hire you. I could hire you for a case like that that happened to me.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:16:07
I could hire you if that happens to you were calling Bobby dude. The company is you know they don't there is the reliability so there's no incentive for them to make vaccines safe. They don't have to do they don't have to spend any money on marketing or advertising because they're mandated for 74 million kids to take whether they like it or not.
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01:16:31
And and they don't have to test vaccines. It's the only medical product that doesn't have to be safety tested and the reason for that it is it's an artifact of C. D. C. E. S. Legacy as the public health service. And that agency was a quasi military agency. That's why people at
CDC
have military ranks like surgeon general.
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01:16:58
And and the vaccine program was conceived as a national security defense against biological attack on our country. So they wanted to make sure the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agents that we would be able to quickly formulate a vaccine, deploy it to 200 million people without regulatory impediments.
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01:17:21
And so they said if we call it medicine you need the safety testing let's call it something else. We'll call it a biologic and we'll exempt them from safety testing Of the companies when they made this sort of Gold Rush in 1989 the add new vaccines.
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01:17:39
The schedule took advantage of that and said hey we don't have to tell us these things. And because of that you know we now have products that nobody knows what the risks are. But we do know that the same year that we passed all of that. You know they put them onto the schedule. You have this explosion of chronic disease.
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01:17:60
And you know our children are now the second generation in the history and the
CDC
is shakes and shrugged his shoulders and say if you say where is this autism epidemic coming from? They say we don't know where is the obesity epidemic coming from? Where is the diabetes epidemic coming from? Why do our kids have peanut allergies which essentially didn't exist probably in the 1989.
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01:18:24
How about all the attention deficit stuff and all of that as well, directly linked to vaccines in the scientific literature on our website? 1400 studies, peer reviewed studies and published on NIH s website. Ahmed linking it to all of linking barriers, accidents, all of those injuries.
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01:18:47
So what are they doing this for money While they're making $60 billion $500 billion dollars a year selling the remedies for the injuries caused by vaccines, the diabetes medication, the Adderall, the riddle and the concert the the Advair inhalers, the beautiful inhalers, the anti seizure medications, all of those.
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01:19:15
You know this is a really great business plan for these companies make people sick and then you sell them a lifetime cure measles. They weren't making any money. Maybe you've got measles and chicken pox. The cure is chicken soup and vitamin A. And you can't patent either of those and you're well in a week or self limiting illnesses that go away in a week.
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01:19:38
But if you can give somebody that vaccine and make them you know diabetic for life. And you've got a permanent customer or A D. D. Or A. D. H. D. And you know many of the vaccines are for illnesses for which there is zero risk a baby at one day old baby has zero risk of getting appetite.
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01:19:58
It's be if his mother doesn't have it, Jeffrey mothers tested for you can only get from unprotected sex or from sharing needles. So you know why are we giving one day old babies of vaccine for Hepatitis B. And they admit the vaccine only last five years that baby is not going to have sex with a prostitute in the first five years of life there's zero risk.
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01:20:26
And yet it's a very very dangerous vaccine. And I'm not
anti vaccine
. I'm very you know I just want safe vaccines. I want vaccines tested and what I've said to people is ask them against an inert placebo. Not one of them has that ribbon or that's them against an unvaccinated population.
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01:20:46
So show me a vaccinated population and an unvaccinated population and show me that the vaccinated population is healthier. And if you can do that I will post that study on my website and I will retire from this work and go back to working for a waterkeeper full time which is what I want to be doing.
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Eben Britton
01:21:07
Well you know so many people when you start talking about this issue will just screen blasphemy and uh you know it's really interesting in the documentary. You talk about how doctors literally know nothing about what these vaccines actually do or don't do doctors themselves who are saying that.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:21:29
You know we have all these doctors in that film saying we were taught nothing. We were taught vaccines work. They're safe, effective if you don't give them the children the children will die. So make sure you give them all to them and that's it. We're not talking about what the ingredients are, how they're made, what the side effects are.
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Eben Britton
01:21:49
And that's a problem in itself.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:21:52
You know, that's the problem.
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Eben Britton
01:21:53
You know, that to me should raise flags for anyone who has questions about this issue. So, you know, I think it's also important, like you're saying you're not
anti vaccine
, you're talking about, let's look at what's really going on and let's make better decisions and let's have at least something safe going out to the public and let's have a public debate for
America
to be able to talk about.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:22:14
It shouldn't be a crime to talk about something. Yeah. And you know, and they called me
anti Vax
because of discrediting me.
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01:22:25
But I've never said anything to anybody to make anybody think I'm
anti Vax
. I've been trying fighting for 35 years suing people, they get mercury out of fish. Nobody calls me any fish. You know, I just want to say fish and I want, you know, vaccines that are safe to if they work, let's show that they work in a in an authentic safety test.
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Eben Britton
01:22:53
Yeah, it's important, man. I suggest everybody, go check out this documentary. Cve axed one and then check out Vax too.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:23:01
And you know, go to my instagram site robert F Kennedy JR dot com and our robert F Kennedy JR and and go to children's health defense dot org because we have all the science laid out there. It's a very reader friendly site and you can actually get the truth air that's censored in all of the other social media.
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Eben Britton
01:23:22
It's awesome man, Bobby. I I can't say thank you enough. I don't know if there's anything else Mike, Do you have any other questions man?
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Mike Tyson
01:23:32
I don't know. Do you keep in touch with the other Fitzgerald and stuff?
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Eben Britton
01:23:36
The family, the family is still tight.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:23:39
We're very tight. Our family is very, very close. There is now, you know my children's favorite part of the year. We spend july 4th weekend and then a lot of the summer together and there's about they have about 100 and I think 100 and five cousins before we did special olympics here before that's all subscribing. Okay.
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Eben Britton
01:24:08
I was in a Anthony Yeah, I was in a documentary a few years ago called take your pills.
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01:24:19
That Maria Shriver and her daughter Christina Schwarzenegger produced, tackling Adderall and Ritalin deficit medications because I took a lot of Adderall during my
NFL
career, which I think was a direct, you know that was me medicating my cognitive deficiency through all of the head trauma and the concussions I had suffered and Adderall lifted me out of that.
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01:24:48
The problem was I started to abuse it and it really fucked me up through that. But so power to the people man.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
01:24:58
Thank you. Evan, thank you Mike.
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