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Rock ’n Soul, Part 2

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In part two of our deep dive into Daryl Hall & John Oates' genre-defying streak on the pop charts, Chris Molanphy argues they were also more cutting-edge than you may realize, essentially inventing their own form of cross-racial new wave after spending the ’70s trying everything: rock, R&B, folk, funk, even disco. At their Imperial peak in the early ’80s, Hall and Oates commanded the pop, soul and dance charts while still getting played on rock stations. And decades later, when the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ignored them, it was Black artists—rappers and soul fans—who pushed them in. Join Chris Molanphy for a dissection of the Philly duo who invented “rock ’n soul” and made their dreams come true. Sign up for Slate Plus now to get episodes in one installment as soon as they're out. You'll also get The Bridge, our trivia show and bonus deep dive. Click here for more info. Podcast production by Asha Saluja. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Chris Molanphy
00:52
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01:34
Welcome back to
Hit Parade
, a podcast of pop chart history from
Slate Magazine
about the hits from coast to coast. I'm Chris Molanphy; chart analyst, pop critic and writer of
Slate's
’Why Is This Song No. 1? ’ series.
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01:49
On our last episode, we talked about how
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
met in the Philly soul scene of the 1960s, then spent the ’70s trying to find their sound veering from folk to R&B to rock to disco, with major chart highs and humbling lows. We're now at the start of the 1980s where
Hall & Oates
are finally honing their voice on an album called, appropriately, ’Voices’. Very deep on the voices, LP
Kiss On My List
was anomalous in several ways.
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02:36
For one thing, it was co-written by
Daryl Hall
, not with his companion,
Sarah Allen
, but with her sister
Janna Allen
; another budding songwriter who was looking to start her own music career.
Daryl
helped
Janna
complete the song, but
Janna
came up with the song's infectious chorus on her own. And about that chorus; the word in the title is ’kiss on my list’, not ’lips’.
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03:16
Though, many listeners mistook it for ’lips’. The song was perceived as purely romantic, whereas
Daryl Hall
claimed it was an anti-love song sung by a dude whose sheepish about sharing his feelings. Quote, if you insist on knowing my bliss or I only smile when I lie. He finally owns up that a kiss is just one of the things on his list of life's joys. It didn't matter.
Kiss On My List
was received as a breezy, easy paean to infatuation.
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Hall & Oates
03:58
Regret you, I couldn't go on.
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Chris Molanphy
03:59
Hall
recorded
Kiss On My List
as a demo for
Janna Allen,
expecting that she would re-record it. But
Tommy Mottola
insisted that
Hall
keep the song.
Janna
was given songwriting credit of course, and
Hall & Oates
just dubbed backing vocals and extra instruments onto that original
Daryl Hall
demo. It was a gushy, bouncy pop song made with new-wave economy. This, it turned out, would be the ’80s
Hall & Oates
sound.
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04:53
Released as a single in January of 1981,
Kiss On My List
, took a dozen weeks to reach number one where it stayed for three weeks. Now, three singles deep on the ’Voices’ album, amazingly,
Hall & Oates
had another crisp all-killer, no-filler pop song, lying and wait for a fourth single.
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05:27
You Make My Dreams
, despite never reaching number one, is one of the most popular songs in the
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
catalog. According to
MRC Data
, in 2021 alone, it was spun on US terrestrial radio stations more than thirty four thousand times, and streamed more than one hundred and two million times.
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Hall & Oates
05:54
Oh yeah,
You Make My Dreams
come true. (You, you, you,
Ooh Ooh Ooh
, you.)
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Chris Molanphy
05:54
It's their biggest Spotify hit ever. But in the summer of 1981, coming off of
Kiss On My List
,
’You Make My Dreams’
could only manage a number five peak, stuck for three weeks behind summer ’81 smashes by
Rick Springfield
,
Air Supply
,
George Harrison
and
Kim Carnes
. I'll let you guess what those hits were.
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06:28
Still, this was the first time
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
had strung together two top five hits in a row. Before the summer was over, they had a follow-up album already ready to go, packed with more of the new-wave leaning, blue-eyed soul, co-written with
Sarah
and
Janna Allen
that had now made them chart regulars. The new LP was called
Private Eyes
, and thanks to the near simultaneous launch of the music video channel,
MTV
,
Hall & Oates
found themselves even more on trend.
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07:10
Darryl and
John
didn't much like making music videos, but as far back as the ’70s, encouraged by
Tommy Mottola
, they were making them. These clips were cheap, low-concept affairs. Generally, often shot on videotape on a soundstage,
Hall
didn't always get the lip-sinking right. But starting with
Private Eyes
. Their first hit of the
MTV
era and the title track of their 1981 LP,
Hall & Oates
used this visual simplicity to their advantage.
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07:51
Quote,
Hall & Oates
may have been the first true
MTV
stars, Tom Breihan of
Stereogum
writes in his ’Number Ones’ column,
Private Eyes
gets its point across in the simplest way imaginable.
Hall,
Oates
and their backing band members all dress up like old-timey gumshoes.
Hall
peers at the camera through a magnifying glass in a green Hep Cat suit.
Oates
plays the fool mugging like a human cartoon character. They sing the song. That's it. It was enough, unquote.
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08:36
Private Eyes
rose to number one in less time than
Kiss On My List
had.
Hall & Oates
were now commercially bulletproof. In a rare chart feat, they then almost succeeded themselves at number one. Well, kind of; there was a ten week gap in between the two hits when the
’Hot 100’
was commanded by just one song, the biggest hit of that year.
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09:04
She we've talked about
Olivia Newton-John's
fitness-craze bop
Physical
in prior
Hit Parade
episodes. It ejected
Hall & Oates'
Private Eyes
at number one in November 1981 and spent a record ten weeks on top into early ’82. Then
Physical
was itself ejected from the number one spot by
Hall & Oates'
next hit, further evidence of their hot streak. But more important, even than this
’Hot 100’
rarity was the song itself. Their most innovative, most influential, most critically acclaimed single ever.
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10:01
One night in the studio when most of their band had gone home,
Daryl Hall
was fiddling with a primitive drum machine called the
Roland CompuRhythm
. Liking the dry brittle sound of the beat,
Hall
turned to his keyboard and layered on a cycling baseline, then additional keyboard filigrees. He called
John Oates
over and had him play a simple skeletal guitar riff. Luckily, they managed to tell the last remaining sound engineer in the studio to hit record.
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10:40
This, by the way, was a good time for pop artists experimenting with primitive drum machines. In 1981 and ’82 alone, classic pop tracks would emerge from inquisitive rock stars, fumbling around with gizmos by companies like
Roland
,
Korg
and Linn; artists like
Phil Collins
,
Joe
Jackson
,
and of course,
Prince
.
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11:34
But
Daryl Hall's
tinkering with the
Roland CompuRhythm
produced the biggest hit among these experimental tracks, one that rivalled even
Phil Collins'
In The Air Tonight
for sonic influence. It was the most genre-defying track
Hall & Oates
would ever release.
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11:55
I
Can't Go For That
(No Can Do), a title
Daryl Hall
and co writer
Sarah Allen
came up with was effortlessly funky. Even though,
Hall
was singing the track evoked hip-hop at a time when rap was new Prior to
I
Can't Go For That
,
Hall & Oates
had made
Billboard's
’R&B’ chart a half dozen times, dating back to the days of
Sara Smile
, but they'd never cracked the ’Top 20’.
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12:37
That's what made it remarkable when in the
Billboard
issue, dated January 30th 1982,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
were on top of both the
’Hot 100’
and ’Hot Soul Singles’ with their skeletal, synthesized funk-bomb. They were the first white act to top the ’R&B’ chart since the mixed-race
KC And The Sunshine Band
in 1977. And they were the first white act ever to top both the
’Hot 100’
and ’R&B’ charts in the same week. In his journal that week,
Hall
wrote, quote, I'm the head soul brother in the US, where to now, unquote.
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13:34
Before 1982 was even over,
I
Can't Go For That
most especially its airtight baseline was inspiring imitators, primarily this familiar hit. Years later, at the recording session for
We Are The World
,
Michael Jackson
approached
Daryl Hall
during a break in recording and sheepishly told him: "I hope you don't mind, but I stole
Billie Jean
from you."
Hall
knew what
Jackson
meant and immediately reassured him: "It's alright man. It's something we all do to be sure.
Billie Jean
and
I
Can't Go For That
are not identical."
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14:32
But as this mash-up by DJ Peacecat illustrates, their baselines do have a lot in common. Back in 1982, however,
Hall & Oates
were now entering a full on imperial phase where every track was a hit. They pulled a third top ten from the
Private Eyes'
LP, the new-wavey
Did It In A Minute
, co-written by
Janna Allen,
reached number nine.
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15:14
A fourth single, the percolating ’Your Imagination’, cracked the
’Top 40’
at number thirty three.
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15:36
Hall & Oates
wouldn't allow their momentum to flag. For the third year in a row, the duo had another album at the ready just as the prior one was petering out. In a pun on their names,
Hall & Oates's
late 1982 album would be called ’H2O’ and its first single was built around another irresistible baseline. Only this time,
Hall & Oates
would be the ones doing the stealing. The good news was they stole from the best.
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16:23
On
The Supremes'
1966 number one classic,
You Can't Hurry Love
, the signature element is its baseline played by
Motown
legend
James Jamerson
of
The Funk Brothers
. That baseline has been ripped off a lot and it was especially popular in 1982. Replicas of the
Jamerson
bassline appeared in hits by The Jam on their UK number one
Town Called Malice
and on
Phil Collins'
remake of
You Can't Hurry Love
, a ’Top 10’ US hit on which
Collins
pumped up that famous baseline.
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17:21
But the highest charting and most successful iteration of the baseline was what
Hall & Oates
did with it on
Maneater
.
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17:38
If you've passed by a radio anytime in the last few weeks, you've probably heard
Maneater,
according to
MRC Data
, it's
Hall & Oates'
top airplay track spun over sixty four thousand times on the radio just last year; nearly double the rate of
You Make My Dreams
. It seems radio listeners can't get enough of that brain-sticky chorus about a wild woman who'll, quote, chew you up.
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Hall & Oates
18:11
(Oh-oh, here she comes). Watch out, boy, she'll chew you up. (Oh-oh, here she comes). She's a
Maneater
.
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Chris Molanphy
18:19
Though the duo would later claim that the song, co-written with
Sarah Allen,
was a metaphor about a rough city and not a gold-digging woman,
Maneater
was widely regarded as, if you will, classic
misogyny
. It was also
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates'
biggest pop hit, spending a full month on top of the
’Hot 100’
and powering the ’H20’ album to double platinum status. Like its predecessor,
Private Eyes
, ’H20’ then went on to generate a flotilla of hits, including the number seven, pop number eight R&B ballad, ’One on One’.
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19:06
And the crunching synth-rocker
Family Man
, a cover of a minor 1982 hit by British multi-instrumentalist
Mike Oldfield
. The
Hall & Oates
version topped out at number six in the summer of ’83.
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19:37
Speaking of remakes, by the end of 1983,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
were such bankable stars that they even recorded a Christmas carol. Their remake of
Bobby Helms'
chestnut
Jingle Bell Rock
, complete with a kitschy ’50s style video became an immediate
MTV
staple and the song still gets spun nearly 25,000 times on US radio each holiday season.
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20:10
Arriving in record stores that same Christmas was the first comprehensive career-spanning,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
compilation album, the ambitiously titled
Rock'n Soul Part 1.
No, for decades later, there never was a part two. As part of this victory lap,
Hall & Oates
recorded two new hit bound tracks, a biting-synth funk number called
Adult Education
.
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20:57
And serving as the set's first single, a supple Pop&B track called
Say It Isn't So
.
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21:07
When I
Say It Isn't So
rose to number two for three weeks over the holiday season of 1983 and ’84,
Casey Kasem
on
American Top 40
was compelled to announce a very special chart achievement.
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Casey Kasem
21:33
Now we're up to the song that recently broke a major chart record. The most successful duo of the rock era since the late 1950s, that title had been held by two brothers from Brownie Kentucky. No duo has ever challenged
The Everly Brothers
title until now. Since the beginning of the ’80s, two men from Philadelphia have been moving up on that title and with their current hit, this new twosome surpassed the
Everly's
’Say It Isn't’. So, here are
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
, the new top duo of the rock era.
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Chris Molanphy
22:08
Take that
Rolling Stone
magazine! As
Hall & Oates
topped the
Everly's
, they still hold the title as most hit making duo by the way, they entered 1984 at a new phase of imperiality. Not only as hit makers for themselves, but as the kind of midas touch act, other artists wanted to work with or glom onto.
Daryl Hall
in particular, spread his talents promiscuously throughout the year. He sang back-up on hits for Australian band
INXS
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22:55
And in a rare pop crossover for post punk icon
Elvis Costello
.
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23:12
No less a pop eminence than Miss
Diana Ross
asked to work with
Daryl Hall
on her ’84 album ’Swept Away’. Darryl and his companion
Sarah Allen
wrote the album's title track, a number eighteen pop, number three R&B hit for
Ross
and
Hall
co-produced the song sang back-up and played guitar.
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23:47
Meanwhile, for
Hall & Oates
themselves, the producer of that
INXS
track,
Chic's
Nile Rodgers
offered to remix the duo's second single from
Rock'n Soul Part 1,
to make it more club-friendly and on-trend for radio.
Roger's
clattering the remix of
Adult Education
pushed the song to number eight on the
’Hot 100’
.
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24:19
Hall & Oates
had also attracted the attention of an even more bleeding-edge producer,
Arthur Baker
,
the remixer and cool hunter who had recently overseen one of the seminal tracks in rap history,
Planet Rock
by
Afrika Bambaataa
and the
Soulsonic Force
.
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Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force
24:44
Just get on down and hit me. Bambaataa's gettin' so funky, now, hit me.
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Chris Molanphy
24:49
While
Hall & Oates
intended to produce their next album themselves, as they had since the start of the ’80s, they brought in
Arthur Baker
as a so-called mixed consultant, a co-producer in all but name,
Baker
helped shape the sound of
Big Bam Boom
.
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25:11
The duo's synth-heavy 1984 LP, most especially its lead single, which would prove to be
Hall & Oates'
last number one hit.
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25:29
Out Of Touch,
like prior peak
Hall & Oates’
singles, was several things at once; mechanized rock crossed with R&B and club music and a big-booming production sound. For the music video, the duo went with
Arthur Baker's
remix, which was also preferred on many urban radio stations.
Baker
deconstructed the track and made the beat even louder.
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26:06
By December ’84,
Out Of Touch
was on top of the
Hot 100
and the
Big Bam Boom
album had reached the top five and went platinum out of the box. The LP would spawn three more
Top 40
hits in 1985, each just a bit smaller than the last. The number five hit
Method Of Modern Love
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26:47
A number eighteen hit —
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26:50
And a rare single with a
John Oates
lead vocal ’Possession Obsession’, which was also remixed by
Arthur Baker
and reached number thirty.
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27:07
By the time that last single cracked the
Top 40
,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
were taking their final lap as one of America's top pop acts. Say this for them, they made the most of it.
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Chris Molanphy
30:22
As we discussed in our Charity Mega Singles episode of
Hit Parade
, 1985 was the peak year for do-gooder, all-star songs and
Hall & Oates
were all over them. Not only did they both sing in the chorus of
USA For Africa's
We Are The World
,
Daryl
got a brief but potent solo vocal.
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30:51
Then later in the year when
Little Steven Van Zandt
amassed an eclectic group of rock rap, soul, jazz, blues and latin musicians for his anti-apartheid anthem,
Sun City
,
Hall & Oates
were one of the very few.
We Are The World
participants to do that charity mega-single too.
Oates
got to showcase in the video singing alongside
Lou Reed
and
Rubén Blades
.
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31:23
And once again,
Hall
took a brief solo turn on the mic.
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31:30
But the clearest signal that
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
were at the absolute peak of their powers came at July 1985's
Live Aid
concert. The transatlantic duel-city extravaganza organized by England's
Bob Geldof
for African
Hunger Relief
. What you don't remember, the
Hall & Oates
performance —
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32:07
I'm not claiming that
Hall & Oates
came out of
Live Aid
as legendary as
Queen
or
U2
; their set was not nearly as acclaimed, but if you do a little analysis of the circumstances of their performance, the duo were, at the time, one of the very biggest acts on the bill.
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32:41
The two sites where
Live Aid
happened were
Wembley Stadium
in London and the former
John
F Kennedy Stadium
in Philadelphia that meant that for
Hall & Oates
, the American edition of
Live Aid
was essentially a hometown gig, even though they both lived in New York City for years. The Philly crowd received the duo as beloved prodigal sons and they were placed on the bill accordingly, appearing just an hour before the end of the fourteen-hour marathon.
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33:18
The only acts who played after
Hall & Oates
were
Mick Jagger
with
Tina Turner
, a triumvirate of
Bob Dylan
,
Keith Richards
and
Ron Wood
and an all-star
We Are The World
sing-along. Arguably,
Hall & Oates
were the last build performers with current material on the charts. And by the way, when I say that I'm including
Mick Jagger
whose 1985 solo debut,
She's The Boss
, had by then already flopped. And then, there's the matter of what
Hall & Oates
performed.
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34:09
Their set was the most hit-packed of anyone's that day. If you count not only their own number one hits
Out of Touch
and
Maneater
, but also the songs included in a medley of
Motown
classics by
The Temptations
performed by the duo with special guests
David Ruffin
and
Eddie Kendricks
of
The Temptations
.
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The Temptations
34:32
I've got a sweeter song than the birds in the trees.
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Chris Molanphy
34:40
That's another number one hit they performed;
My Girl
, the 1965 chart-topper by the vocal group a
Young
Daryl Hall
idolized. I mean, I've checked, no one else who performed at
Live Aid
in either London or Philadelphia that day, did a set packed with bigger
Hot 100
hits than
Hall & Oates
. Not
Queen
, not
Phil Collins
, not even
Elton
John
. And speaking of the London
Live Aid,
Hall & Oates'
music was being performed there too.
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35:28
British blue-eyed soul singer
Paul Young
, you may know him as the first voice on
Band Aid's
Do They Know It's
Christmas?, he was riding high on the charts with his cover of
Daryl Hall's
ballad.
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35:46
Every Time You Go Away
, originally from
Hall & Oates'
1980 LP Voices, it had never been issued as a single from that hit-packed album, but
Paul Young
turned
Every Time You Go Away
into a smash.
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36:07
On both sides of the Atlantic, number four in the UK and number one in the US. In fact, the very day of
Live Aid
, July 13 1985,
Young's
Every Time You Go Away
was in the
Hot 100's
top ten, on its way to number one two weeks later. If you consider the
Billboard
data lag I discussed in a prior
Hit Parade
, technically
Young's
cover of
Hall & Oates
was already America's number one song that day.
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Paul Young
36:54
I can't go on saying the same thing.
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Chris Molanphy
36:59
As profitable, surely, as
Paul Young's
cover was for
Daryl Hall
, he was a little salty about his song becoming better known by someone else. In May 1985, as
Young's
version was rising on the charts,
Daryl
and
John
performed a very prestigious gig at New York's legendary
Apollo Theater
and
Hall
reclaimed his composition while throwing a little shade.
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Daryl Hall
37:29
Do a song that was on our Voices album about five years ago. And it's was recently done by an English artist; English artist. It's called
Every Time You Go Away
. This is the original.
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Chris Molanphy
37:50
This
Apollo
gig, by the way, was where
Hall & Oates
first performed with
The Temptations'
David Ruffin
and
Eddie Kendricks
. After reprising that set with them at
Live Aid
in July, the duo took full advantage of their clout to issue, not only a
Daryl Hall & John Oates - Live At The Apollo
LP, but also a single with
Ruffin
and
Kendricks
, bringing the two
Temps
back to the
Top 40
for the first time in a decade.
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38:31
A couple of months after
Live Aid
, the foursome's medley of
The Way You Do The Things You Do
and
My Girl
reached number twenty, impressive for a live mashup of oldies. It was a fine way for
Hall & Oates
to wrap up their imperial phase and it would be their last hit for about three years. The duo were burned out after their incredible five-year run and in interviews,
Daryl Hall
spoke about the need to take a break, but he was far from idle during this hiatus from
John Oates
.
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39:25
In 1986,
Daryl Hall
issued his first solo album since the beleaguered Sacred Songs. It was called
Three Hearts In The Happy Ending Machine
and it spawned an immediate top five hit with the ebullient psychedelic rocker,
Dreamtime
, co-produced by the
Eurythmics'
Dave Stewart
.
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39:53
Hall's
solo album was well-reviewed and did spawn a couple of hits as well as one of
Hall's
best ballots the stately, Someone Like You.
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40:21
But on the album chart,
Three Hearts In The Happy Ending Machine
peaked at number twenty seven, lower even than the
Daryl Hall & John Oates - Live At The Apollo
LP and it failed to go gold.
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40:37
As for
John Oates
, he too scored a ’Top 10’ hit during the hiatus, performed not by himself, but by an Australian band,
Icehouse
.
Oates
teamed with
Icehouse
singer
Iva Davies
to write
Electric Blue
, a catchy synth-pop track, which he admitted could easily have been a
Hall & Oates.
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41:08
Instead, issued as an
Icehouse
single in 1987,
Electric Blue
reached number seven on the
Hot 100
by May 1988. By then,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
had reconvened. During their paws, the duo had jumped ship from
RCA Records
to a top-dollar deal with
Arista
, the label run by famed-mogul
Clive Davis
, then riding high with flagship-artist
Whitney Houston
.
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41:41
Accordingly, the first
Hall & Oates
single on
Arista
sounded very much like the adult contemporary soft-pop that was the label's specialty.
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42:01
Everything Your Heart Desires
, the lead single from the comeback album
Ooh Yeah!,
reached number three on the
Hot 100
suggesting that
Hall & Oates
were back, like they never left. But, it proved a short-lived comeback. Subsequent singles fell short, like the number thirty one hit Downtown Life.
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42:30
And the
Ooh Yeah!
album peaked at number twenty four, in the age of
George Michael
and
Bobby Brown
,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
, each of them now over forty, could no longer assume they were automatic radio-fodder. In a bid to stay relevant for their second
Arista
album,
Hall & Oates
teamed with rock frontman and garbage-merchant,
Jon Bon Jovi.
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43:14
Co-written with
Bon Jovi,
So Close
, the lead single from 1990s
Change Of Season
album was just that ’so close’ to the ’Top 10’, but not quite. It peaked at number eleven in December of that year and the album topped out at number sixty. The first
Hall & Oates
studio album to miss the
Top 40
since 1974. As we say, here at
Hit Parade
, nothing good comes from associating with
Jon Bon Jovi
. When
Hall & Oates
follow-up single, Don't Hold Back Your Love, also proved a near miss, peaking at a heartbreaking number forty one in 1991.
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Hall & Oates
44:01
Just hold onto my hand and face whatever comes. Don't hold back your love.
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Chris Molanphy
44:13
The duo's days as a
Top 40
pop act were over.
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
would never return to the upper reaches of the
Hot 100
and they took a much longer hiatus for most of the 1990s. Maybe with hindsight, the duo should instead have teamed up with
Dr Dre
,
Prince Paul
or
The Bomb Squad,
because at the very moment, they were falling off as pop stars,
Hall & Oates
were emerging as a formative influence in hip-hop.
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45:07
A single from
De La Soul's
seminal 1989 album,
3 Feet High And Rising
, was built out of samples from
Hall & Oates'
1982 chart topper,
I
Can't Go For That
. That song proved to be a primary text in rap. Also showing up in singles from among many acts. The
2 Live Crew
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45:42
Heavy D
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45:46
I Can't Go For That
was easily
Hall & Oates'
most sampled recording but it wasn't the only one. On
Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
, the 1993 debut by the
Wu-Tang Clan
, the title song by rapper
Method Man
is built on an interpolation of the M-E-T-H-O-D refrain from
Hall & Oates'
1985 hit
Method Of Modern Love
.
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46:27
And in 1996, Bay Area rapper
B-Legit,
not only built his single Ghetto Smile, out of
Hall & Oates'
hit
Sara Smile
, he got
Daryl Hall
himself to sing out.
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[B-Legit] All friends, I knew about it as a child. I stood proud, have you ever seen a ghetto smile? [Daryl Hall] In the ghetto there's a smile roamin' through the streets.
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Chris Molanphy
46:52
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
finally broke their 90s hiatus in 1997 to record a new album,
Marigold Sky
. The album and the expectations for it were much more modest. It was mellow soul-pop and it inaugurated the duo's autumnal phase as adult contemporary hit-makers.
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47:30
Promise Ain't Enough from
Marigold Sky
got them back on the radio where it peaked at a respectable number six on the
AC Chart.
In 2002, they did even better with Do It For Love, which topped that chart.
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47:57
Much more remarkable than
Hall & Oates'
easy listening comeback in the new millennium was how they were received and celebrated by a younger generation. Perversely, by not trying to be on trend,
Hall & Oates
became cool again.
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48:20
Just before the holiday season of 2007, pretty much on a whim,
Daryl Hall
started a web series of live, largely acoustic recordings from his home in Upstate New York. He called it, simply,
Live From Daryl's House
though the show was shot with multiple cameras and a tangle of cables and equipment, it maintained a low-tech, home-spun quality.
Hall's
first guest in the second
webisode
was naturally
John Oates
.
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49:09
But it wasn't long before other younger performers were clamoring to play from
Daryl's
house.
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49:26
For example,
Patrick Stump
, lead singer of
Fall Out Boy
, a fan of
Hall & Oates
whose potent tenor voice echoed
Daryl Hall's,
came to the house to do a cover of
Fall Out Boy's
hit
Sugar, We're Goin' Down
, as a duet with
Hall.
Or, the Canadian electro-funk duo
Chromeo
. Their music already echoed
Hall & Oates
such as their new-wavy 2007 track, Waiting 4 U.
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50:12
So naturally,
Chromeo's
’Dave 1’ Macklovitch and ’P-Thugg’ Gemayel, passed through the house to pay respects to
Daryl Hall
and cover their
Hall & Oates
homage with him.
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50:34
Around this same time, rap-rock band
Gym Class Heroes
, fronted by
Travie McCoy
, not only played at
Daryl's
house, they invited
Hall
to guest on a single called Live Forever (Fly with Me).
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50:55
Travie McCoy
proved his obeisance to the duo by getting tattoos of their faces taken from the cover of their 1981 album,
Private Eyes,
on the tops of his hands; ouch! Hollywood also started re-connecting with
Hall & Oates
. They showed they had a sense of humour by guesting on a 2006 episode of
Will & Grace
.
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Daryl Hall
51:29
Excuse me, is this the Adler and Hanson wedding?
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Eric McCormack
51:33
Yes. Are you Hall & Oates?
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John Oates
51:37
Actually, it's Hall & Oates now.
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Daryl Hall
51:41
Yeah, every 25 years, we flip it. When I agreed to that, I didn't think we'd last this long.
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Chris Molanphy
51:45
But the most vital reboot of
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates’
music came in an acclaimed movie that debuted at the
Sundance Film Festival
in 2009,
500 Days Of Summer
. A winsome romantic comedy, starring
Joseph Gordon-Levitt
and
Zooey Deschanel
. In a fantasy sequence after
Gordon-Levitt's
character, Tom Hanson, has consummated his relationship with
Deschanel's
Summer Finn, he emerges from his apartment building to a joyous, full-blown choreographed dance number, set to
Hall & Oates'
hit
You Make My Dreams
.
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52:42
The
500 Days Of Summer
scene caught a wave of
Flash Mob
dance sequences that were blanketing
YouTube
in the arts and the film was popular enough to turn
You Make My Dreams
into
Hall & Oates'
digital era blockbuster. Again, it's their top Spotify song and their second biggest radio recurrent after
Maneater
.
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53:11
All this steadily accruing cool cred, brought more young
Hall & Oates
fans out of the woodwork. In 2010, indie pop duo
The Bird And The Bee
singer
Inara George
and future
Adele
collaborator
Greg Kurstin,
released
Interpreting The Masters Volume 1: A Tribute To Daryl Hall And John Oates
.
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53:48
In late 2009, country singer
Jimmy Wayne
recorded a cover of
Sara Smile
that got
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates'
songwriting credits on
Billboard's
Hot Country Songs
chart for the first time.
Wayne's
cover reached number thirty one on the
Country Chart
.
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Jimmy Wayne
54:07
It's you and me forever. Sara (Smile), Sara Smile.
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54:20
And then, there were the bands who paid homage, simply by emulating the
Hall & Oates
sound. Norwegian pop group
Superfamily
wrote an original song, I Could Be a Real Winner, that sounded like a would-be
Private Eyes
bonus track. Lead singer Steven Ray Wilson's voice was a dead-ringer for
Daryl Hall's
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55:01
And in 2016,
Jamie Smith aka Jamie xx
, producer and re-mixer for British indie pop band
The xx
, transformed
Hall & Oates'
I
Can't Go For That
into the single
On Hold
, which topped the ’UK Indie Chart’ and cracked
Billboard's
’Rock and Alternative Chart’.
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55:23
When and where did we go cold? I thought I had you on hold. Where does it stop, where does it stop? Where do you dare me to? You've got the body, you've got the body. Dare me to, dare me to. Where does it stop, where does it stop? Where do you dare me to?
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55:41
As far back as 1997,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
had been eligible for the
Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
but they were not so much as nominated until the 2010s. Passionately advocating for their candidacy was
Roots
drummer and soul and hip-hop historian
Ahmir
Questlove
Thompson
who sat on the
Rock Hall
nominating committee and reportedly put forward
Hall & Oates
for the ballot. When they were voted in on that very first ballot appearance,
Questlove
did the honours at the 2014 induction ceremony and he reminded the crowd how important the duo's music was to the black community in particular.
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56:29
And
Hall & Oates
stayed true. They collaborated with
David Ruffin
and
Eddie Kendricks
in 1985. First at Philly's
Live Aid
, then at the
Apollo Theater
, sparking a revival and the interest in
The Temptations
and classic
Motown
. And because what goes around comes around, their music became prized amongst hip-hop artists such as the
Wu-Tang Clan
,
J Dilla
,
De La Soul
.
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56:50
They crossed all the boundaries because that is what great music does. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in being a proud child of Philadelphia; a child of the 70s, a child of the 80s, a child of soul. Join me for one glorious night and making the
Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame,
the
Hall & Oates
of Fame. Ladies and gentlemen, I proudly present to you
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
!
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57:21
Questlove's
testimonial was one more reminder that
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates'
music crossed the spectrum and defied category. Even as rock fans and
Rolling Stone
magazine were ignoring them, fans of soul knew that they were important. In their acceptance speech,
John Oates
noted that they were lucky to have come from Philadelphia and
Daryl Hall
took the institution to task, not for waiting so long to induct them, but for ignoring other Philly-based acts.
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57:57
What happened to
The Stylistics
and
The Delfonics
,
Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes
,
Lenny Barry
,
Chubby Checker
? There better be more Philadelphia artists in this place.
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58:06
Now, with nothing left to prove,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
enjoy a comfortable afterlife as touring musicians. Their latest tour ranked among the year's ’Top 50 Grossers’. Even in 2021, a minefield of a year for concerts. And, because they know that there are young people in the crowd, they always pull out the number five hit that really should have been one of their half dozen
Hot 100
number one hits.
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58:45
Young and old, black and white fans of rock and soul, and especially the music they call Rock ’n Soul,
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates
have songs for everybody and hits for days. They've got our bodies and they earned our souls.
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59:10
I hope you enjoyed this episode of
Hit Parade
. Our show was written, edited and narrated by Chris Molanphy; that's me. My producer, one last time, is Asha Solutia. We wish her well as she leaves
Slate
for a new opportunity at
Pineapple Street Studios
. Asha, we'll miss you so much.
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Asha, also produced the latest instalment of our monthly
Hit Parade
’The Bridge’ shows which are available exclusively to
Slate
Plus members. In our latest ’Bridge’ episode, critic
Stephen Thomas Erlewine
joins me as we dig deep into the hit-making career and sonic surprises of
Daryl Hall
and
John Oates.
To sign up for
Slate
Plus and here that show and all our shows, the day they drop, visit ’slate. com/hitparadeplus’. June Thomas is the senior managing producer of
Slate
podcasts.
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wherever you get your podcasts in addition to finding it in the
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Culture Feed.
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back your way. Until then, keep on marching on the one. I'm Chris Molanphy.
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